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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 11:11 AM
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First thing I'm doing is pulling that carb off there again. It's probably too late but I'd at least like to try and salvage some oil. I've got an old 600 Edelbrock that came on the 327 originally that I might just clean up and try. It's got no choke on it whatsoever but could help rule some things out, if it'll clean up enough. It's pretty bad. The ignition box will come out if the carb swap does nothing to help. I had good spark when I checked a couple days ago. I had begun wondering if the distributor itself wasn't bad but again, the engine fired immediately after installing the dry plugs. Then the fuel starting filling things up.


I set valve lash by watching the lifters, starting on #1. Ex open and close the intake open and as soon as it closed I stopped and set lash on #1. I followed the firing order around to #8 and turned engine over little more until that intake closed and set that one and so on. Should have put me on base circle of cam on the compression stroke doing it that way. I tightened the nut on the rocker with my hand until slight resistance was felt in the pushrod. I then tightened half turn more and set the poly lock.
 
Old Aug 22, 2014 | 01:09 PM
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What do you consider "slight resistance on the pushrod"? I would not turn the pushrod back and forth and use that as a method of determining zero lash! It's very easy to get the valve lash too tight by spinning the pushrod to figure clearance. I work the pushrod up and down and slowly tighten the nut, until the rod has no up-down movement. Much easier to determine zero lash that way.
The engine sounded really good with last week's video, but I can see it's belching a lot of raw fuel, and tells me the carb is flooding, or the valves aren't closing. In the more recent video it acts like it's either getting no spark, or flooding, or valves aren't closing. Have you put a compression tester on each cylinder to check the compression? That would at least eliminate the chance the valve adjustment was too tight.
 
Old Aug 22, 2014 | 03:02 PM
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It's flooding. Really don't think there would be that much fuel in all the spark plugs if it wasn't. I'm quite confident the issue isn't valves not closing. Don't have a compression tester so that's out, at least right now. I just pulled the carb back off to check everything, again. Don't know what I'd actually be looking for but I pulled the floats off, needles out then removed the seats. Nothing in them and the needles drop down with the floats when I turn it over. Fuel level in the bowls seems right in line with the float level. Didn't spill a drop of fuel when I removed the carb. Curios if there's supposed to be fuel in the area where the secondary flap is? I'm going to put this old carb on and try it out. I'm wondering if it's a pressure issue. Not sure what to think with this gauge anymore after I removed it the first time. Always was right on 6psi before I took it apart. Now, it only goes up to 3 and drops back to zero fast after I try to start the engine. I adjusted the regulator down/out to see if that'll help but probably should've waited on that until I put this other carb on there. Didn't turn it out much.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 05:02 PM
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Guess whos back? Shady's back. Back again! Hey guys! Anyone miss me?
 
Old Aug 22, 2014 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 77nomad
Guess whos back? Shady's back. Back again! Hey guys! Anyone miss me?
Yeah Damon! I sure have been wondering where you've been hiding? Thought your move required you going so far out they didn't have internet!
 
Old Aug 22, 2014 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 78 on my plate
It's flooding. Really don't think there would be that much fuel in all the spark plugs if it wasn't. I'm quite confident the issue isn't valves not closing. Don't have a compression tester so that's out, at least right now. I just pulled the carb back off to check everything, again. Don't know what I'd actually be looking for but I pulled the floats off, needles out then removed the seats. Nothing in them and the needles drop down with the floats when I turn it over. Fuel level in the bowls seems right in line with the float level. Didn't spill a drop of fuel when I removed the carb. Curios if there's supposed to be fuel in the area where the secondary flap is? I'm going to put this old carb on and try it out. I'm wondering if it's a pressure issue. Not sure what to think with this gauge anymore after I removed it the first time. Always was right on 6psi before I took it apart. Now, it only goes up to 3 and drops back to zero fast after I try to start the engine. I adjusted the regulator down/out to see if that'll help but probably should've waited on that until I put this other carb on there. Didn't turn it out much.
I don't know zip about those Weber built Carter, Edlebrock, carbs. I usually want a float to be level when it's turned upside down. And I blow into the fuel inlet with the float upside down to see if air will pass. If it does, then your needle/seat is faulty.
Fuel pressure could easily push past the needle, if it's over 6 lbs.
Heading out of town in the morning to race the Falcon in the nostalgia drags. Hope you figure it out while I'm gone, so I get to read a good report when I return!
 

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Old Aug 22, 2014 | 05:52 PM
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Wish this 327 was having a lyrical throwdown! I'll invoke DMX for a second - "ya'll (this Camaro) gonna make me lose my mind, up in here, up in here!!!"


If it's not one thing, it's DEFINITELY 2 others. Put the old carb on, still not running but it's a completely different animal right now. Fuel pressure gauge (for some unknown reason) was working again, and then decided to start pouring fuel out of the end cap/plug. I never touched the gauge when I swapped carbs either. Weird. Think I just got the leak to stop, and the battery died again... Giving it a half hour or so and trying again. I was still needing to put my foot to the floor but figured that's because there's still so much fuel down in there from before. We shall see.
 
Old Aug 22, 2014 | 05:56 PM
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Vall, floats are supposed to be 7/16" when held upside down. Supposed to have 15/16" of drop when turned back up. I measured and adjusted and measured and adjusted until they were both exactly to specs for both drop and level. I'm going to say the needles are a bit suspect. When I dumped the fuel out and everything dried, there was one that was not wanting to drop down when I turned the top over. It would stick for a second or two and then drop down. One time it stuck and I had to tap on the airhorn to get it to drop. Still don't have a running Camaro so I have no idea if that's causing anything or not.
 
Old Aug 22, 2014 | 07:42 PM
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Best of luck to you at the races Vall. I tried starting the engine with the old carb on there and, I really don't know what to say. Not running but if I hold it to the floor it'll fire and then usually spit out the carb. I've adjusted the distributor both ways several times. Now the regulator is leaking like crazy, ever since I turned it out a little bit. At first, pressure was 5.5psi so I thought I adjusted it pretty well. Now it's pouring out of the a/n fitting up to the carb. Yes, I tightened it well and used sealant. At first it was coming out of the other port with a plug in it. Got that tightened up really well and it just seemed to switch sides. I'm about to officially give up I think. Can't take much more disappointment on a daily basis like this. Really don't want to start throwing parts on this mess but I'm now wondering if it isn't the regulator?
 
Old Aug 23, 2014 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 1971BB427
Yeah Damon! I sure have been wondering where you've been hiding? Thought your move required you going so far out they didn't have internet!
I hate moving! On top of garage packed with crap the cable company was less than fast at coming out to install my cable. My phone cable and internet are bundled so i was in the dark for almost two weeks.
 



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