well im not saying everybody runs what the book says lol cuz of course thats not true, im just saying with a good driver it "should" come close to that e/t

 

well my point is that the have less horse than the 3.8 and less torque and looks much bigger and heavier than then older civics but mayebe not

 

 

It still amazes me though that they can put an r or si behind a car name, say its sporty, and still lose to 14 yEAR old nearly stock cars. I mean, a 93 Camaro will eat one up, that is an old car now, and yet a brand new "sport" model still cant win