I was at walmart the other day and needed to get some new wash products. I always been a fan of both black magic and turtle wax products. Well when I went to buy the wash I din't know which one to get so I got both. First I tried the turtle wax ice. HUGE disappointment. It fills up looking like it will have alot of foam action but when I went to rub it on my car it turns into water. I dint put to little in either. I did put enough soap in. So i dumped it and filled it up again with more soap. It worked a little better but watered down after i did one half of the car. It dint come out as nice as it did with other products. Next week i went to use the black magic wet shine. I Put about the same amount in the bucket as the turtle wax ice. LOTS of foam I got done the whole car with out having to fill up and still had enough left to do another car. The shine was great much better then TW Ice. I stand by my black magic for now on. And it was cheaper. 3.47 vs the 7dollar TW Ice...