yes i got brand new anti freeze in both cars the orange ,i was told to change it more in the 406 couse it runs hotter ,like every few years $20.00 just to change it takes near 2 gallons 1.5 something like that ,tes i know nothing worce then frozen water hiting the block ,the 3800 i think had already been driven in the cold temp you talk about ,we have been known to get down to -35 rare though ,i have the 05 sable for the winter car