camaro 69 hit it right on the head the block has been drilled and tapped for the staggered bolt pattern
and guys i'm positive that it's an LT1 cause the first thing i had to do when i got the car
is to replace the opti spark

sorry i have no way of taking pics at the moment

 

No need for pics, optispark=LT1. Mystery solved.
But that also means the previous guy replaced your 153 tooth flywheel (uses straight mount starter) with a 168 tooth flywheel (uses staggered mount starter).

 

well that just answered another question was how to tell which flywheel i have
so i need a starter for a 168 tooth flywheel

 

ok i looked in my summit book and came across these starters
sum-820323
sum-820323-os
pwm-9500
pwm-9600
pwm-9612
som-829000
pwn-9100
could someone tell me if one of these will work
sorry but i'm not good at posting links

 

can you find any brand name and numbers on the starter that came out of the motor? im not sure a bigger flexplate will fit? the 168 tooth is 14 inches across and the 153 is 12 3/4 inches.

 

With a staggered mount starter, he would have to have a 168 tooth flexplate.
Straight mount-153 tooth, staggered mount-168 tooth, they're not interchangeable.

 

nope can't find any numbers or names

 

take the starter to a parts store and match it up.

 

that's probably what i'll have to do
or get this one rebuilt

 

Is that used starter you picked up the same style as your other one, other than the mounting being different?
If so, you can swap the nose housings from one to the other.