Fastest V6 on CF? I sure hope so...
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theres no way skylines car is gonna put that kinda power NA,i will beleave it when i see a dyno slip,cause he could be just on of those ricer guys who think there car is a 12 sec ride intell the hit the drag strip and you run 14s. trust me i see it all the time here in my litle town.
and dont hate on MM,why didnt you just put a small block in your car could have been alot easyer right.
and dont hate on MM,why didnt you just put a small block in your car could have been alot easyer right.
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The Jazz Man
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While I really think Musicman has done something special here, (and a great build write up), I can't stop thinking WHY?????
Wouldn't swapping in a LT1 or LS1 have achieved even better results for 1/2 the money? Not to mention 1/10th the work?
And even if you are pulling over 300hp out of that V6...so what?
My DD will produce roughly the same level of power, on a 3.5 L V6 NA. I have NO internal engine mods, no nitrous, stock tune; just intake, and exhaust puts it in the 330hp range. Bottom line, today's technology is far more impressive when you talk about a fully designed engine with quad OHC, VVT, and all that other wizz bang stuff, as compared to using today's technology to apply to a more primitive design like the 3800 V6. There are guys pulling 300hp NA out of 2 litres today.
If you're going to go with primitive technology, there's no replacement for displacement.
Wouldn't swapping in a LT1 or LS1 have achieved even better results for 1/2 the money? Not to mention 1/10th the work?
And even if you are pulling over 300hp out of that V6...so what?
My DD will produce roughly the same level of power, on a 3.5 L V6 NA. I have NO internal engine mods, no nitrous, stock tune; just intake, and exhaust puts it in the 330hp range. Bottom line, today's technology is far more impressive when you talk about a fully designed engine with quad OHC, VVT, and all that other wizz bang stuff, as compared to using today's technology to apply to a more primitive design like the 3800 V6. There are guys pulling 300hp NA out of 2 litres today.
If you're going to go with primitive technology, there's no replacement for displacement.
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theres no way skylines car is gonna put that kinda power NA,i will beleave it when i see a dyno slip,cause he could be just on of those ricer guys who think there car is a 12 sec ride intell the hit the drag strip and you run 14s. trust me i see it all the time here in my litle town.
and dont hate on MM,why didnt you just put a small block in your car could have been alot easyer right.
and dont hate on MM,why didnt you just put a small block in your car could have been alot easyer right.
Well, I've never had the thing dynoed, but keep in mind I am talking crank HP, not to the wheels, and I don't think I'm far off. My DD is a 6 sp G35. It came from the factory with 298hp. It now has Stillen/K&N intake, Crawford plenum, Crawford cats, Nismo headers, Stillen full dual exhaust, and a lightened flywheel. I would think I'm in the ballpark by estimating 330hp.
Technology is marching on...all you need to do is look at the new Camaro with a V6...it's the same kind of power. The current G37 is 330hp stock, NA out of 3.7L.
I have no idea why you would doubt that 300+ HP is a reality of a modern NA V6. Heck, even Hyundai is doing it, (ie..Genesis Coupe V6..306hp 3.8L). Have you read a car magazine in the last few years???
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The Jazz Man
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I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you're bringing this up. Good for technology, I'm a toyota/lexus mechanic, I'm familiar with all that crap. But none of that matters, I'd like to see you swap in an engine that is in the same condition as mine for less. Easiest would be an LT1, to compare it, it will have to have full arp hardware, blueprinted, new stronger pistons, ported and polished heads, a large came, ported intake manifold, and a nice exhaust system throughout. Oh yeah, you also need a different transmission, crossmember, front suspension, full engine wiring harness, pcm to go with it, dash cluster, and a tuning program that will work with the LT1 to tune for the engine and diff gears.
None of what your saying applies to anything I've done. Congrats on blowing your hole in my thread, and good for you knowing that modern engines are more efficient. But in this case, who gives a damn.
None of what your saying applies to anything I've done. Congrats on blowing your hole in my thread, and good for you knowing that modern engines are more efficient. But in this case, who gives a damn.
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I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you're bringing this up. Good for technology, I'm a toyota/lexus mechanic, I'm familiar with all that crap. But none of that matters, I'd like to see you swap in an engine that is in the same condition as mine for less. Easiest would be an LT1, to compare it, it will have to have full arp hardware, blueprinted, new stronger pistons, ported and polished heads, a large came, ported intake manifold, and a nice exhaust system throughout. Oh yeah, you also need a different transmission, crossmember, front suspension, full engine wiring harness, pcm to go with it, dash cluster, and a tuning program that will work with the LT1 to tune for the engine and diff gears.
None of what your saying applies to anything I've done. Congrats on blowing your hole in my thread, and good for you knowing that modern engines are more efficient. But in this case, who gives a damn.
None of what your saying applies to anything I've done. Congrats on blowing your hole in my thread, and good for you knowing that modern engines are more efficient. But in this case, who gives a damn.
My statment was based on the guess that a stock, not a worked, LT1, would probably produce a very similar amount of power. And that a stock low milage LT1 motor/trans suitable for a swap would cost a lot less...that's all. I'm just guessing here, but I would figure a wrecked, good running complete Z28 is in the $1,500 range???
I do get the point that doing something different is special. But when 300hp V6s are everywhere today, I just was curious as to your motivation. I do think your end result is very cool. No desire to blow a hole in your thread, but you never really explained the WHY part.
Also, it seems to me that when you compare a 300hp (worked) V6 Camaro to a 300hp (stock) V8 Camaro that the big advantage of the V6 has little to do with the drag strip. I would imagine the main area the V6 has the capablity to really outshine the V8 is in the handling department.
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Why did I do it? Because the engine came in the car, and happens to be the same displacement as my favorite car, the GNX. Total cost of my build was about $2500, and I got a decently fuel efficient (22mpg in town) car with a brand new engine that has the potential to spank some v8 ***.
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Why did I do it? Because the engine came in the car, and happens to be the same displacement as my favorite car, the GNX. Total cost of my build was about $2500, and I got a decently fuel efficient (22mpg in town) car with a brand new engine that has the potential to spank some v8 ***.
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What about street legality? Do you need to do emissions testing where you live, and if so, will you pass? If I recall, you said you're not using cats.
I just heard that around here (NY State) the dyno emissions ends for good in about 2 months. So that will be great for pre OBDII hot rods.
I just heard that around here (NY State) the dyno emissions ends for good in about 2 months. So that will be great for pre OBDII hot rods.