AWW NO HE DIDNT! Thats what came to mind when I saw the scoop. I forgot to mention the scoop in my last post. You can get a cowl that fits on the hood for not much. Our hoods came down about 100 bucks last time I was looking. I want to say they even come with adhesive strips now to make installing a snap. I know they sell ones that weld on and ones that rivet on. Both were more work than its worth to me. But there is no way I would use the bug eyes. I'm not a fan of butterfly scoops anymore unless they are sitting on injection hat on top of a blower. Never on a tunnel ram and pure blasphemy one a single four barrel set up. I in no way mean to insult you, your taste, or your car with that statement.

Now the heads. I answered an ad for a new, bare set of 190cc 2.02" valve 74cc heads. The seller was clear when he said he had a set of lightly used valves he would toss in and a set of springs that were used with the valves. So I figured for $375 shipped I would grab them up. The only reason I wanted them is for the big chamber. I searched out the flow numbers and they have great peak flow but kind of poor low-mid lift numbers . I had never heard of them sold with large chambers and the seller said he was told that they were exactly the same as the smaller ones but milled more. I was hesitant on that because it makes absolutely no sense. Having different deck surfaces on the same line of head? When they came I commented on the holes. I was a pissy but worded my e-mail in a completely profession manner that in no way blamed the guy. I just said I wished he had posted a pick of the holes because it would have been a deal breaker. I also questioned the chamber. BUT I explained they only LOOKED small, not that they were. So he goes back to the original seller and tells him. The reply was forwarded to me. I was made out to be a dummy. "I obviously havent seen very many aftermarket heads because it happens all the time an is normal." Really? I havent seen any AFR,Brodix,Dart, Edelbrock, or even my Canfields with these holes. I have never heard of anyone buying heads that came with a disclaimer to epoxy any holes in the intake runner. I understand them getting into water. Pipe dope goes on all my studs for that reason. But to seal the studs to keep oil out of the combustion chamber is stupid. I was given the standard "its under vacuum any how" line. My reply was "I bought these with big chambers because I was putting them on a turbo charged engine." I went on to explain that most epoxies arent safe with alcohol and E85 was also on the table for this engine.

In the end I got exactly what I paid for. I'm not real bummed because I will make use of them. I am bummed that I didnt get the deal I thought I was getting. I didnt check pricing before committing to buy. I could have gotten them off EBay for $400 shipped. But I have a set of used Manley valves and I believe Erson springs. Whoopty doo! Here are some pics. There not bad looking castings at all.
Chamber


Didnt Tony have some typ of deal where he found the runners were raised .100" too? I'm not real sure. I watched the videos but I cant tell what ones are yours and what ones are the guys in Denmark or where ever.


This is the intake runner where the bolt hole pinch is. When I compare this to yours, there is significantly less material in mine in that area. The "pillar of power" doesnt exist.



If you want me to mail you a cable I will. I have one on the peg board right now and I own you that at least.

 

Hey Damon, now I'm insulted!!

 

I'm not insulted Damon, I get it. There's always going to be opinions on anything/everything we all put on our Camaros. I'll again just refer back to my prior comments about the scoop not being my style or the route I plan on going with the Camaro when it's finished. I'll also add that when looking for a different air cleaner to use than the 14" round one I have now, I gave my kids some input on a few that I was looking at. I've tried to give them choices where I can and just bite the bullet since this is "our" build. This time it was my son who fell in love with the shotgun scoop and wants to use it permanently. I explained why we wouldn't and showed him the cowl hood, he gets it. I don't hate that style of scoop and without getting into more opinions I also feel they're not best suited on a N/A single 4 BBL 2nd Gen. However, I don't think it's going to look horrible for a couple of months either. Honestly I'm more concerned about the bondo filled quarter panels that'll be on full display this summer than I am the shotgun scoop. I'm not buying an add-on cowl for my hood either for the same reasons as yourself. I'm not driving around without a hood this summer, not real concerned about a $100 stock '78 hood since they're everywhere. The scoop is worth more money than the hood so when the time comes, I'll sell that, get the $50 for the cut up hood and add it all towards the new cowl hood and all will be right with the world again.


From the pics those heads look pretty good. You're right, the pillar in the runners does look smaller also. That's why I was asking about the numbers up by the valve cover rail, wonder if the production year has anything to do with the castings being so different. The .100" raised runner was on the 210's not the 190's but I don't think it's all of them, not sure. Procomp has quite a lot more sizes/styles of heads than I was ever aware of. I looked on their site (which by the way was bought out recently and the name changed) and there's dozens of different head sizes to pick from along with their cnc'd ones. One thing I'm confused about regarding the 74cc chambers created by milling them is wouldn't that make the chambers smaller and not larger? I'm most likely wrong but if you cut the deck down wouldn't that decrease the cc of the chambers? Have you threaded a spark plug into them yet to see where they end up? That's where the bulk of the extra cc's were created on mine, removing the extra meat so the plug would not be 3-4 threads shy of reaching the chamber. I don't think the PC's are the only heads to have the rocker stud holes go into the chambers either. I've heard of the Edelbrock, Dart, Tick Flow and Patriots doing that also and I really didn't think it was an actual problem but that's where my lack of knowledge comes in. I've seen so many Youtube videos when I was looking into valve lash/roller rocker adjustment where the guys say to make sure to use sealer on the rocker studs to keep oil out. I just assumed that was normal with aluminum heads. I used sealer on mine, even the stud holes that didn't go all the way through lol!


Thank you for the offer on the cable, don't know why you would owe me anything though? I was actually out in the garage today under orders from my daughter. I HAD TO replace the inoperable horn on the truck and it was decent outside. I measured the stock cable while out there and went ahead and ordered the Lokar pedal assembly with the cable.


Vall, please tell me that hole was already in the hood of the Falcon and you didn't cut it did you?

 

I not only cut it Tim, but chopped up the fender drops, welded the whole frontend together, chopped out the firewall, floor pans, and then hacked out those rear wheelwell openings and welded in the Mercedes lip on them! I've got no problem chopping up a $500 Falcon!

 

^ Is that an asbestos sheet?

 

I see, a job well done sir. That's pretty much my thoughts on the $100 hood also. Luck is with me it seems however, found a non cut-up hood for $50 right down the street a few miles so I'll be going on tour this Friday. Going to pick up those tail lights I mentioned, a little further to pick up some tires for the Cadi and on the way back I'll grab that hood. Maybe I'll get lucky this summer and find a buyer for my stock seats, steering wheel, hood, and scoop. I should have enough from all that to get the cowl hood and be set.


Can anyone confirm the fitment of the lug pattern on BMW 740 wheels for our Camaro's? I've heard that from a few posts on some Camaro owner FB pages. Someone is also selling a set of nice looking aftermarket 18" wheels from a 740 WITH almost new tires (size I need for the front of mine) for $200 and thought about grabbing those while making the rounds this Friday. Guess it doesn't matter if they fit or not but would make it easier to re-sell the wheels if they fit Camaro as there's always guys on FB grabbing that sort of stuff up. Just wondered if anyone on here could verify that. Guess I should probably look around online and see if I can find out myself too.

 

Not sure about the 740 wheels Tim, but I do know Jaguar sedans use Chevy pattern!

 

Is that a blower?

 

I did some research and they are 5 x 120mm OR 5 4 3/4 so they should work. Decisions decisions....

 

Actually Val my issues with the bug catcher start with everyone and their brother calling it a blower. When I was a metal polisher i always had to do the "blower" for my bosses brothers car. I used to did them totally. But if I were to do anything with 2x4's it would have in this order. Velocity stacks, Hilborn,scoop, and then the three butterfly bug catcher. I also love Kinsler style 8 stack set ups. But really, I still see my truck with about 1/2" or velocity stacks poking through the hood.

Then there are the guys who stick one on a second gen with a single carb. Cut a hole in the hood for it and then cant figure out the linkage so the butterflies either are missing or dont open. Dont get me going on the cross rams with two Hilborns side by side. I think MadMax when I see that stuff. I'd rather have mechanical fuel injection and try and tune it for the street then the ones I listed. Worse yet is a old Harwood snorkle on a car that doesnt have anything sticking up in it. Scoops in general really. I had to paint a hood for my brothers second gen one time when I was 14. He had a 78 with a I6. It blew and he had someone pull the 292 I6 from his pickup and put it in the camaro. They used the truck mounts so the hood wouldnt fit. My dad scored a L88 hood from a guy he worked with that had a Fox body Mustang scoop on top of that. My bro had the ***** to put a single 3" chrome air cleaner on it. It was also a 3 speed stick. But we did see the 130 side of the speedo in it. But that hood with the rattle can paint job will always bother me.