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11-09-2012 | 07:06 PM
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LOL!!! It was just for mock up purposes, I would use thick wall rubber hose on the car
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11-10-2012 | 06:40 AM
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I'm just curious as to what problem you were trying to solve? Before I OK funding for the development of any new product a basic question asked to product marketing is "what problem are we trying to solve"? I guess I'm not seeing the problem which needed solving
The opti is behind the WP. The weep hole is at the bottom of the WP.
I've killed an opti due to WP failure but it was the failure of one of the press fit pipes on the top of the 3 month old WP.
The opti is behind the WP. The weep hole is at the bottom of the WP.
I've killed an opti due to WP failure but it was the failure of one of the press fit pipes on the top of the 3 month old WP.
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11-10-2012 | 10:03 AM
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The project makes no sense to me at all. There is more chance you will cause a problem with the drilling/tapping process then you will save an opti by diverting the coolant away from the opti when/if the internal water pump seal fail. This would be why no one offers a kit like this. Even a self tapping fitting could cause metal chips that could cause a water pump failure. Remember while the opti is a pain to fix anytime a waterpump fails the whole motor is at risk. If it fails durring a high heat situation (racing) it is almost assumed the motor will be lost. Saving the opti but increasing the risk of water pump failure is just a bad trade off.
How the weep holes is suppost to work. When ever your oil is changed the tech should look at the weep hole for staining. Any signs of recent staining would indicate its time to replace the pump. This hose assmebly could make that harder to see. On a well maintained car a water pump failing so bad it would ruin the Opti is rare. That is unless you got metal shaving in your coolant
If you gave me that pump for free I would use it to avoid a core charge on a new one.I am not trying to beat up the OP I just want people to understand this is not a good idea, and for the people that do not know me I am a former GM master tech turned manufacturing engineer. You would not believe the steps we go through to keep bearings clean during assemblly. While a water pump would not be assembled in a "clean room" per-say, people walking into the assembly room would get a air bath and walk across a stickly pad inorder to avoid machining chips from being in the assembly room.
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11-10-2012 | 10:42 AM
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Which is why I asked if his sole purpose was to divert coolant away, but didn't hear back.
To me, it would not be worth it to remove a water pump, install the tube, then reinstall the used pump. Generally when you're removing the pump, it's either to replace it because it's bad, or because you need to replace the opti. Either way, you're best to just put on a new pump. So what you're doing here is to monitor a new pump that should last upward of 100k miles (unless you buy a cheap China piece of crap)? The original pump on my LT1 went way past 100k miles. I only replaced it because it was part of the opti swap. As I said before, any sign of coolant from the weep hole, and you should replace the pump. A little dribble isn't going to hurt the opti, and if you let that dribble turn into a big waterfall, then you shouldn't be working on cars!
To me, it would not be worth it to remove a water pump, install the tube, then reinstall the used pump. Generally when you're removing the pump, it's either to replace it because it's bad, or because you need to replace the opti. Either way, you're best to just put on a new pump. So what you're doing here is to monitor a new pump that should last upward of 100k miles (unless you buy a cheap China piece of crap)? The original pump on my LT1 went way past 100k miles. I only replaced it because it was part of the opti swap. As I said before, any sign of coolant from the weep hole, and you should replace the pump. A little dribble isn't going to hurt the opti, and if you let that dribble turn into a big waterfall, then you shouldn't be working on cars!
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11-11-2012 | 04:57 PM
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I'm just curious as to what problem you were trying to solve? Before I OK funding for the development of any new product a basic question asked to product marketing is "what problem are we trying to solve"? I guess I'm not seeing the problem which needed solving
The opti is behind the WP. The weep hole is at the bottom of the WP.
I've killed an opti due to WP failure but it was the failure of one of the press fit pipes on the top of the 3 month old WP.
The opti is behind the WP. The weep hole is at the bottom of the WP.
I've killed an opti due to WP failure but it was the failure of one of the press fit pipes on the top of the 3 month old WP.
wow! Did any body else see where I asked this ---------------- gentilman to invest his money in my project or some Git Rich Scheem??????????? as for what problem am I trying to solve? If you have to ask, then you will not understand the answer. therefore if you had as much going on as you wish to portray here, you would know that you answered your own question.
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11-11-2012 | 05:20 PM
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The seal failing in the water pump means the system can not or soon will not hold pressure. Not fixing it should never be concidered an option.
The project makes no sense to me at all. There is more chance you will cause a problem with the drilling/tapping process then you will save an opti by diverting the coolant away from the opti when/if the internal water pump seal fail. This would be why no one offers a kit like this. Even a self tapping fitting could cause metal chips that could cause a water pump failure. Remember while the opti is a pain to fix anytime a waterpump fails the whole motor is at risk. If it fails durring a high heat situation (racing) it is almost assumed the motor will be lost. Saving the opti but increasing the risk of water pump failure is just a bad trade off.
How the weep holes is suppost to work. When ever your oil is changed the tech should look at the weep hole for staining. Any signs of recent staining would indicate its time to replace the pump. This hose assmebly could make that harder to see. On a well maintained car a water pump failing so bad it would ruin the Opti is rare. That is unless you got metal shaving in your coolant If you gave me that pump for free I would use it to avoid a core charge on a new one.
I am not trying to beat up the OP I just want people to understand this is not a good idea, and for the people that do not know me I am a former GM master tech turned manufacturing engineer. You would not believe the steps we go through to keep bearings clean during assemblly. While a water pump would not be assembled in a "clean room" per-say, people walking into the assembly room would get a air bath and walk across a stickly pad inorder to avoid machining chips from being in the assembly room.
The project makes no sense to me at all. There is more chance you will cause a problem with the drilling/tapping process then you will save an opti by diverting the coolant away from the opti when/if the internal water pump seal fail. This would be why no one offers a kit like this. Even a self tapping fitting could cause metal chips that could cause a water pump failure. Remember while the opti is a pain to fix anytime a waterpump fails the whole motor is at risk. If it fails durring a high heat situation (racing) it is almost assumed the motor will be lost. Saving the opti but increasing the risk of water pump failure is just a bad trade off.
How the weep holes is suppost to work. When ever your oil is changed the tech should look at the weep hole for staining. Any signs of recent staining would indicate its time to replace the pump. This hose assmebly could make that harder to see. On a well maintained car a water pump failing so bad it would ruin the Opti is rare. That is unless you got metal shaving in your coolant
If you gave me that pump for free I would use it to avoid a core charge on a new one.I am not trying to beat up the OP I just want people to understand this is not a good idea, and for the people that do not know me I am a former GM master tech turned manufacturing engineer. You would not believe the steps we go through to keep bearings clean during assemblly. While a water pump would not be assembled in a "clean room" per-say, people walking into the assembly room would get a air bath and walk across a stickly pad inorder to avoid machining chips from being in the assembly room.
hum! interisting rebuttal, although kind of moot to me, as I too am a professional, only within the Aerospace manufacturing world. Cleanliness is an absolute must in most applications. But due in a large part to Bad Engineering, some times there has to be a logical decision made, and for me it almost always comes down to a money decision. I "Obviously" do not have your funding, nor do you have my time. therefor to save a $350 part plus the $140 water pump, and the associated labor cost, I chose to risk a $140 water pump that I can change in a couple of hours. I believe that there a lot of people trying to keep their toys running in this time of harsh economics mthat could benifit from this. thank you for your opinion, I will keep on my present corse.