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We took my brothers totally stock GTI to the strip today, its a 1/8th mile track, the car ran a best of 9.17. I am kind of impressed with this I think the best his SS cobalt did was a 9.4. In the first round of eliminations we were line up with a newer camaro LS powered automatic. The GTI beat him by .1 something I really had mixed emotions with that one.

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either the camaro was a moded sixer or that driver need to be taken out back and shot....

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agreed[sm=shootshoot.gif]

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No it was a LS1 I talked to the guy before the race. What 1/8 mile times will a stock LS Camaro run?

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Well either they lied or the person in the Camaro cannot drive...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdVkDCB0A_Q

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On a less preped track with an auto 9.20 somthing kind of seems in line.... there are quite a few on the Drag Times list in this range.

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So you're saying I'm gonna hang with an SS in the 1/8th in my V6? Good to know =P I still think it's the lack of driver skill =P

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lol this is complete bs i agrre it was a v6 ur the driver couldnt drive maybe he baked the tires down the track. my 98 ss ran a 8.6 all day stock at the 1/8 mile

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No reason to BS you ... driver error is a possiblity but I watched the race the car wasnt sideways or the tires smoking maybe he was just over confident.I really dont see what is so unbelievable this is basicallymy brotherscar except it has the paddle shifters http://www.dragtimes.com/Volkswagen-...lip-15942.htmlyou have a video posted above that shows a comparable camaro running in the 9s at night (ie better air) I can easily pull up a few ls camaro times off of drag times showing 9 second times. I ran a LS gto earlier this year with my 79 camarothe GTOwas only running in the 9s. I guess I was just enthused seeing the times the vw put up I mean come on its a freaking rabbit(to the older guys) gulf (to the younger).

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Pics from the day at the strip the GTI is red as is the Camaro. http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2832...34422057tZWtqm
The siverish camaro runs in the high 7s I am fairly sure he runs patriot heads and the engine is reworked plus a 150 shot on street tires.

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the red camaro looks like a rs with new badges the paint is foggy as the head lights and theres sparkling badges on the sides lol seems to look like a 6er but if a ls1 camaro is running 9s in the 1/8 1. there reaction times are very bad 2. they roast the tires. 3. dont know how to drive. i take back saying bs im not trying to say your lieing by any way i just think the 9.2 1/8 mile run is a **** run

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1. It was a V8
2. Yes it should have been faster
3. Reaction time does not affect ET

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are you sure about #1 there bro it has the RS spoiler.... did you see in the hood?

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Your brothers SS cobalt is a 2.4 not a 2.0 SC currect? The 2.0T in the VW is a nice engine but it is only a 15 second car. Most people that can drive will put a SC cobalt down in the mid to low 14s. LS1 is a low 13 second car. Sorry but you do the math.

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Ha Ha you guys are killing me.... it was a sc cobolt saab stickers and everything I have a video of it running down the track if I can find it. We thought the Cobolt was faster to at least I did, the gtec said otherwise and the track confirmed it. This track is what I consider very good street conditions sure spray the track with enough stuff to take your shoes off and some cars will get alot better times especially the cobalt first gear is redicuously low. And by the way I dont need to do the math he actually owns/owned the cars we have real times not I heard my brothers cousins fried stuffits as real as it gets

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Yes the cobalt gearing is crazy low. But for a good driver it allows for very low 14 second runs. The GTI in stock form is a low 15 second car. HP is close on the two cars but they make it very different. The SS is in fact about .7 seconds faster on average in the 1/4. And should kill the GTI in the 1/8th unless you cant drive the cobalt.

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I say this since a good driver can launch the hell out of the cobalt. A less expericned driver will spin or bog the car. I have seen a 1.5 second difference from a good driver and a first timer in the SC/SS. That was a 14.3 to a 15.2 same car, same track, same night. I am not feeding into the V8 thing. It could have been a bad driver or bad car but at the end of the day a stock GTI vs a LS1 is not even a race.

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i do know that the 2.0 SC's rape the 2nd 1/8mile. there's plenty of vids of 2.0S/Cs with pulley working running side by side to stock LS1s from 30-100.

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and they are really light cars. and if you get your hands on a comp package, you will no doubt rape GTI's and prolly R32s. stock LSD and worked Pulley. better factory tune. better factory suspension.

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I am compairing totally stock with totally stock I drove both, the cobalt did feel slightly faster to me but the GTI 6 speed is effortless and the power is very linearso it is deceiving at any rate I didnt think they were that far apart.

Big Nick..... why do you not think it was a v8? I mean the times are real close to the video you posted and that was a SS running at night with obviously good track conditions????

600 since the times you gave for the Cobalt were 1/4 mile I used this converter http://www.wallaceracing.com/8th-quarter-conversion.php
I will do the math on this I guess:D15.2 1/4th = 9.74 1/8th and 14.3 1/4th = 9.15 1/8th...thats.02 seconds faster than the GTI timeswith a top gun driver with an average time of 9.445.... heythat means my brothers a better than average driver ... and proves what I am saying is plausable

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The SS cobalt would be stronger in the 1/8th vs the GTI then in the 1/4. The cobalt has very low gearing and has a massive amount of torque off the line. The cobalt will pull hard off the line in first and second. Once you get passed that the GTI will hold its own but not make up any ground from the first two gears. At the end of the day once again a stock GTI stands a snow balls chance in Hell vs a stock LS1 from a dig or from a roll. N/A power is instant vs small turbo lag plus over 125 horse power and 150 torque on a car that is only slitly heaver. Keep in mind i am not calling BS or any thing like that just stating the fact that its not the cars if this happend. More like the driver.

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I said previously the LS car should have been faster, it was obviously a fluke. I was driving his LT1 Vette- 6 speed around today it isdefinatly faster than the GTI and I think it would be compairable to most stock LS1 cars.

I really have to disagree with you on the Cobolt issue though I believe there were three of them I seen run at this track none ever came close to breaking 9 in stock form. Now after the one went to some sort of stage upgrade it went below but not in stock form. Now I told you what ours ran, you gave me data that supports my numbers and if you check out drag times http://www.dragtimes.com/ChevroletCo...ag-Racing.html I dont think there is one SC SS that ran below 9.0 in stock form heck I dont think there is even one below 9.2 in stock form and I doubt the owners are going to post their worst times either. To me the data doesnt support the two cars are that far away from each other in the 1/8 mile.

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LS1>LT1 or even LT4 Sorry there is no comparison. I cant compare 1/8 mile times since most of my time is spent at the 1/4 but there are stock SS/SC in the 14.0-14.5 range. Over a half second faster then the GTI. As stated before most of that is in the first two gears that the cobalt excels. You can compare charts, data, and conversions all day long. The LS1 is a low 13 second car, Cobalt SS/SC is a low 14 second car, GTI is a high 14 second low 15 second car. Facts are Facts.

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plus the GTI has turbo lag to deal with off the line is where a SC or N/A car will have the greatest advantage over it sorry man if your brothers faster in his GTI its probly becuse he dosent know how to launch with power off the line....

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lol. [8D]

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You know I was just going to let this die but what the heck its kind of fun. We want to speak of facts do we...
1. Big Nick you supplied a video that showsan SS car runing 9.1 I say a LS powered car ran a 9.2.... Thank you Nick for that one I couldnt have asked for a better example

2. 600 You gave me numbers that support the timemy brothersSS cobalt ran ... And now you are trying to argue its faster but you again repete the same numbers I dont really know how to address your circular arguement

3. An independant source known as drag times lists times that cars have run if one would look up the ss sc cobalt you would find that there isnt a SS SC cobalt in stock form that has run below 9.1 or 9.2 and you guys what to key on driving ability for running a stock SS SC 9.4 on a unprepped track actually I give him credit I am sure he would outdrive most of you on any given day,

4. The same source of facts shows a 2007 GTI running close to the same times I posted..

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check again there cheif its a 9 flat oops....

and to be honest with you ive seen LS1s launch much much harder than that

the simple fact is that the cobalt by in large is the faster car....

second your trying to quote a clearly V6 car a 8 cus you got fooled by some dummey badges so forgive me if my trust in you automotive knowlege isnt so sturdy

finally dont pick fights mention a independant sorce and then not have a link for that source tyvm....

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heres a TA in the 8s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtXemkS7cUsoh watch the third race you may find it intresting

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OK so you want to play.... OK I WILL BITE
That is not the best time for a LS1 i think traction was a issue or a running issue. 13.3 to 15.0 thats 1.7 seconds do the math. The LS1 will normally be stronger from a dig where the GTI would be kind of week out of the hole.

The SS runs over .7 seconds faster in the 1/8th most independent source are not the best to find times. In fact i have seen one or two that rate the SS/SC at 15.0 seconds. This would be with a very bad driver as some of the fastest stock SS/SC times have been 14.0s. In fact even a normal driver can run a low 14 in that car with practice. As said above the cobalt is very strong out of the hole and will cut a better 60 time with a good driver then the GTI. Sorry if you are cutting better 60's with the GTI it is due to lack of experince not the cars.

A stock GTI should be in the 15.2-14.8 range no where near the cobalt or SS times.

I would let this thing die.

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Ha I posted it in thediscussion... several timeshttp://www.dragtimes.com/ go to brouse its all in there....

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from the very source you posted....

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes


oh and heres the time your claiming for the cobalt from the non super charged


http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-12972.html


oh and heres the one for the F body....

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...slip-7552.html

oh and this ones for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlzPF...eature=related

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823*
99.150
8.930
80.390
2.194
239.00
283.00
VolkswagenGTI2.0T DSG
2007
Costa Apostolou
Yep thats the car

I like the crazy frog :D

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check you link again buddy the car ran a 13.3 quater.... not stockers....and thanks i thought the frog was a nice touch

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971*
97.510
8.978
80.390
2.201


VolkswagenGTI2.0T APR
2008
Eric G
same car but newer with a chip .2 seconds faster than my brothers with just a chip

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opp sorry again stock ones dont run in the 13s so hes got a chip which is retuneing his PCM to run richer which means hes problay got elivated boost which is why hes running the 93 octane.....bro if you gonna try and prove me wrong you gonnna have be through

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I was to tired to research it they reccommend premium fuel for the car "Premium unleaded (95 RON) recommended for maximum performance, (unleaded regular (91RON) as an alternative with slight reduction in performance)"vw web site

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you sure he doesn't have a R32?[&:]

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erreguardless hes running above pump gas premieum being 91 octane. and hes uping his boost with a chip.....chips are a lot bigger deal for turbo cars look at a cummins turbo deisel witha bully dog chips makes a huuuuge differance. and there not 13 second cars stock there just not. sorry griff man youve lost this disccussion.

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Gotta give you that one I tried to look up the chip stuff mainly what I found is that it adds 30+ hp that is impressive I wish I can do that to my 79. Been working onthe camarofor the track this weekend new shifter shimming up the traction bars and pissing off the neighbors with test runs. Ok back to the subject.... I am going to narrow this down... The camaro race was a fluke the guy screwed up, the GTI while winning that race will not consistantly beat an LS1 camaro.
My original statment concerning the SS SC Cobalt my brother ownedwas that the best time we ran with it was 9.4 and the best time the GTI ran was 9.17 backed up with a 9.19 different years but the same track. Using this information I believe his GTI is faster than his SS SC cobalt the rebuttal I recieved is bacially your brother does not know how to drive the Cobalt which I believe is a false statement. I have not seen any real data that shows me a totally stock SS SC cobalt does better in the 1/8th mile than 9.2 I dont believe there is one on drag list (linked above)so I also went to the ss cobalt forum where there is an 1/8th mile discussion http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=113054in the discussion once you go through the bs stuff most stock SS SC Coblts seem to run around 9.4 a statement was actually that the fastest time they have seen a stock SS SC Cobalt run is 9.2. I am going to try toget a video of the GTI at the track which means I will probably have to pay his flipping entry fee and let him drive the Camaro.. Hopefully within a few weeks.