he wasnt saying the car is misfiring he said thats how the o2 sensors would read they were out of whack he just used bad terminology and your tech is full of crap i can plug my hand held scanner into my car and see if my 2 oxygen sensors are communicating with each other and the ecm and what they are reading

 

I am still investigating my issue,but in the meantime, FYI:

Document ID# 770901
2002 Chevrolet Camaro
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DTC P0171 or P0174
Circuit Description
The powertrain control module (PCM) controls the air/fuel metering system in order to provide the best possible combination of driveability, fuel economy and emission control. Fuel delivery is controlled differently during Open and Closed Loop. During Open Loop the PCM determines fuel delivery based on sensor signals, without oxygen sensor input. During Closed Loop the PCM adds oxygen sensor inputs to calculate Short and Long Term fuel trim, fuel delivery adjustments. If the oxygen sensors indicate a lean condition, fuel trim values will be above 0 percent . If the oxygen sensors (O2S) indicate a rich condition, fuel trim values will be below 0 percent. Short Term fuel trim values change rapidly in response to the heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) voltage signals. Long Term fuel trim makes coarse adjustments in order to maintain an air/fuel ratio of 14.7:1. If the PCM detects an excessively lean condition, this diagnostic trouble code (DTC) will set.

Conditions for Running the DTC
DTCs P0101, P0102, P0103, P0107, P0108, P0121, P0122, P0123, P0130, P0131, P0132, P0133, P0134, P0135, P0137, P0138, P0140, P0141, P0201, P0202, P0203, P0204, P0205, P0206 P0300, P0401, P0403, P0404, P0404, P0405, P0410, P0440, P0442, P0446, P0506, P0507, P1404, or P1441 are not set.
The engine coolant temperature (ECT) is between 20-110°C (68-230°F).
The intake air temperature (IAT) is between 18-70°C (64-158°F).
The manifold absolute pressure (MAP) is between 15-105 kPa (2.1-15.2 psi).
The vehicle speed is less than 132 km/h (82 mph).
The engine speed is between 600-4,000 RPM.
The barometric pressure (BARO) is more than 70 kPa (10.1 psi).
The mass airflow (MAF) is between 5-150 g/s.
The fuel level is more than 10 percent.

Conditions for Setting the DTC
The average Long Term fuel trim value is above 20 percent.
All of the above conditions are present for 6 seconds.

Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on the second consecutive ignition cycle that the diagnostic runs and fails.
The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The first time the diagnostic fails, the control module stores this information in the Failure Records. If the diagnostic reports a failure on the second consecutive ignition cycle, the control module records the operating conditions at the time of the failure. The control module writes the operating conditions to the Freeze Frame and updates the Failure Records.

Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.

Diagnostic Aids
The system will go lean if an injector is not suppling enough fuel.
A lean condition could be present during high fuel demand due to a fuel pump that does not pump enough fuel.
Using a scan tool, review the Failure Records. If an intermittent condition is suspected, refer to Intermittent Conditions .

Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.

If conditions were not corrected, refer to Fuel System Diagnostics for a possible fuel problem.

If conditions were not corrected, a worn cam, worn intake or exhaust valves, or other the engine mechanical failures may be at fault.

Step
Action
Values
Yes
No

1
Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check-Engine Controls?
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Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Engine Controls

2

Important
If any DTCs are set, other than P0171, refer to those DTCs before continuing.


Install the scan tool.
Start and idle the engine at normal operating temperature in Closed Loop.
Record the Long Term fuel trim data.
Turn OFF the engine.
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Review the Freeze Frame/Failure Records, and record displayed data for this DTC.
Does the scan tool indicate that the Long Term fuel trim is greater than the specified value?
23%
Go to Step 3
Go to Diagnostic Aids

3
Operate the engine at idle.
Using the scan tool observe the HO2S parameters.
Does the scan tool indicate that the values are within the specified range and fluctuating?
200-800 mV
Go to Step 4
Go to Step 5

4
Turn OFF the engine.
Visually and physically inspect the following items:
Vacuum hoses for splits, kinks, and proper connections--Refer to Emission Hose Routing Diagram .
Ensure that the vehicle has sufficient fuel in tank. If fuel pressure is too low this DTC may set--Refer to Fuel System Diagnosis .
Fuel contamination--Refer to Alcohol/Contaminants-in-Fuel Diagnosis .
Did you find and correct the condition?
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Go to Step 7
Go to Step 6

5
Turn OFF the engine.
Check the HO2S for proper installation.
Check to ensure electrical connectors and wires are secured and not contacting the exhaust system.
Check for a short between the signal circuit and the low reference circuit.
Did you find and correct the condition?
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Go to Step 7
Go to Fuel System Diagnosis

6
Operate the engine at idle.
Check for missing, loose, or leaking exhaust components, forward of the HO2S.
Check for vacuum leaks at the intake manifold, throttle body and injector O-rings.
Check the air induction system and air intake ducts for leaks.
Check the secondary air injection (AIR) system for leaks, improper air delivery, shut off valve not closing.
Check crankcase ventilation system for leaks--Refer to Crankcase Ventilation System Inspection/Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical.
Did you find and correct the condition?
--
Go to Step 7
Go to Symptoms - Engine Mechanical

7

Important
After repairs, use scan tool Fuel Trim Reset function in order to reset the Long Term Fuel.


Use the scan tool in order to clear the DTCs.
Turn OFF the ignition for 30 seconds.
Start the engine.
Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC as specified in the supporting text.
Does the DTC run and pass?
--
Go to Step 8
Go to Step 2

8
With a scan tool, observe the stored information, Capture Info.

Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?
--
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List
System OK



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Document ID# 770901
2002 Chevrolet Camaro

 

well your information doesnt call for a 171 for system to lean.... and i fail people all the time for that code and a replaced o2 sensor will fix it and like i said a shop should be able to do a function test even without a CEL i just had one done on my camaro

 

My information doesn't call for a P0171, how do you figure that?

CEL? You mean SES?

I will try to push the issue on the O2 Sensor -- never had one fail before, the car only has like 63k mi.

 

doh lol i read something wrong.... but ya CEL SES and MIL are all the same light different names.... if its not sensor its a vacuum leak but you should be able to hear it if that were case

 

God almighty just ****ing listen to me. I'm a mechanic and have been turning wrenches on cars since i was 8. It's your freakin o2 sensor!!!! Bank 1, driver side!

 

And FYI... You are a bad listener and didn't even try what I suggested. Bring your car to Kentucky, I will fix it in 2 minutes and you can leave.

 

can i bring my car there and have you fix it haha

 

I will report back when I find out, but just because someone is a mechanic does not mean they know what they are talking about. No offense, just experience.

I have had plenty of mechanics BS me over the years, big shops, small shops -- they ALL BS customers...

 

Why would I BS you? It's an easy DIY change... And I have no reason to BS you on something that simple.