95 camaro 3.4 swap to 3.8 series 2 supercharged
#1
95 camaro 3.4 swap to 3.8 series 2 supercharged
i had a grand prix GTP with the FWD supercharged 3.8 series 2 was wondering if i could take the engine i took out of it and swap it over to my 3.4 camaro and what i would need to swap it over. would i need a new tranny or rear and would everything bolt in correctly
#2
it would be A LOT of work. the supercharger doesnt fit under the cowl, and the throttle body will pretty much replace your radio that alone would keep me from doing the job. also the trans needs to be replaced along with the whole wiring harness, computer, youll need a 3800 camaro subframe, rwd exhaust manifolds... not trying to completely talk you out of it, with a good donor car, some fab skills, quite a bit of money, and time it can be done.
Last edited by BasicConcepts; 09-16-2012 at 01:50 AM.
#3
damn it was just a thought cause iv had this engine lying around for like a year and didnt really think about the dimentions. thought maybe somone had done it or had a good way but i guess im sticking with the old 3.4 for now thanks alot
#4
While "No" is not entirely the correct answer, it is the one I'm going to give and here's why.
If you take the FWD S/C 3800 and turn it length wise, the intake of the supercharger would sit in pretty much where your radio is at.
There is little to no room in the engine bay to put a proper inter-cooler for the supercharger. Could you run without one? Sure. But all you would be doing is compressing hot air which is the complete opposite of what you're going for.
I believe the trans would need to be changed because I think (and I may be wrong) that the bolt pattern is different between the 3.4s and 3800s.
Can it be done? Yes, it can but with a lot of time, money, and work. And in the end, you honestly have done nothing but spend more money than the cars worth to get everything to work. If you are looking to gain some more power, I'd suggest either upgrading to 3.8 Camaro and modding that or a LT1 or LS1.
Edit: Damn, BC beat me...again.
If you take the FWD S/C 3800 and turn it length wise, the intake of the supercharger would sit in pretty much where your radio is at.
There is little to no room in the engine bay to put a proper inter-cooler for the supercharger. Could you run without one? Sure. But all you would be doing is compressing hot air which is the complete opposite of what you're going for.
I believe the trans would need to be changed because I think (and I may be wrong) that the bolt pattern is different between the 3.4s and 3800s.
Can it be done? Yes, it can but with a lot of time, money, and work. And in the end, you honestly have done nothing but spend more money than the cars worth to get everything to work. If you are looking to gain some more power, I'd suggest either upgrading to 3.8 Camaro and modding that or a LT1 or LS1.
Edit: Damn, BC beat me...again.
#5
While "No" is not entirely the correct answer, it is the one I'm going to give and here's why.
If you take the FWD S/C 3800 and turn it length wise, the intake of the supercharger would sit in pretty much where your radio is at.
There is little to no room in the engine bay to put a proper inter-cooler for the supercharger. Could you run without one? Sure. But all you would be doing is compressing hot air which is the complete opposite of what you're going for.
I believe the trans would need to be changed because I think (and I may be wrong) that the bolt pattern is different between the 3.4s and 3800s.
Can it be done? Yes, it can but with a lot of time, money, and work. And in the end, you honestly have done nothing but spend more money than the cars worth to get everything to work. If you are looking to gain some more power, I'd suggest either upgrading to 3.8 Camaro and modding that or a LT1 or LS1.
Edit: Damn, BC beat me...again.
If you take the FWD S/C 3800 and turn it length wise, the intake of the supercharger would sit in pretty much where your radio is at.
There is little to no room in the engine bay to put a proper inter-cooler for the supercharger. Could you run without one? Sure. But all you would be doing is compressing hot air which is the complete opposite of what you're going for.
I believe the trans would need to be changed because I think (and I may be wrong) that the bolt pattern is different between the 3.4s and 3800s.
Can it be done? Yes, it can but with a lot of time, money, and work. And in the end, you honestly have done nothing but spend more money than the cars worth to get everything to work. If you are looking to gain some more power, I'd suggest either upgrading to 3.8 Camaro and modding that or a LT1 or LS1.
Edit: Damn, BC beat me...again.
the 3.4L is 90* engine meaning the cylinders run at 90*, the 3800 is a 60* engine. the bolt pattern is different.
Last edited by BasicConcepts; 09-16-2012 at 01:56 AM.
#6
I thought the 3800s were 90* and the 3.4s 60*? But I almost certain the trans wouldn't work because of the difference in angles.
#7
yea i realized after BC said it that the engine would b mounted where it would not fit only reason i havent done an ls1 swap was because its so expensive and i dont feel like getting another camaro and playing 8000 i was certian i couldnt use my tranny but just was making sure i just figured since i had it id give it a shot asking on here but i got my awnser its a shame that little 3.8 is powerful too
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Just to keep things accurate the bolt pattern for the 3.4 and the 3.8 are the same. Everything said about the super charger is correct, it iis not worth putting the super charger on a camaro that already has a 3.8 in it.
Just to swap to a non-super charged 3800 is a pretty big project. There are dozens of 3800 camaro only parts you would need on the hardware side. The easiest way to do the swap would be with a wrecked 95 3800 car. They are pretty rare. But even then the 95 3.4 is a OBD 1.5 computer system while all the 3800s are OBD2, Since you need the 3800 PCM (The main computer) that means you have to get the rest of the sub systems (anti theft, ABS and the BCM) to talk to a newer computer. Can it be done, yes, we had a member put a 3800 in a 94 I think, But the computer system would be the biggest challenge.
Just to swap to a non-super charged 3800 is a pretty big project. There are dozens of 3800 camaro only parts you would need on the hardware side. The easiest way to do the swap would be with a wrecked 95 3800 car. They are pretty rare. But even then the 95 3.4 is a OBD 1.5 computer system while all the 3800s are OBD2, Since you need the 3800 PCM (The main computer) that means you have to get the rest of the sub systems (anti theft, ABS and the BCM) to talk to a newer computer. Can it be done, yes, we had a member put a 3800 in a 94 I think, But the computer system would be the biggest challenge.
Last edited by Gorn; 09-16-2012 at 07:59 AM.