Overheating and Not at the Same Time, asap help needed please
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thank you. i was thinking maybe intake gaskets. if it was the head gasket, i should see a lot of white smoke. also, this camaro doesnt have an overflow oddly enough. the return line feeds straight into the radiator on this model. Ill check everything out tomorrow and let you know what happens. thanks
nevermind, i had a dumb moment. i was thinking if the car needed coolant at some point in time, it pulled from the tank, not pushed into it when it got hot even though that makes more sense. haha. dont mind the special moment.
[QUOTE=Gorn;659841]Just to clear up a few facts for anyone following along.
The brown in your radiator is not rust. It is residue for the original orange Dex cool crap the factory put in the car. The brown “mud” setting in the bottom of your radiator can cause up to 50% of your radiator to “not work”.
GM didnt start using Dex Cool in their cars until 96 and later. His car is a 94, which came with green glycol.... so if its brownish colored, its rust. The car is also 20 years old now, and who knows whats been run through the system? If someone ran plain water in it for a while, or an imbalanced mix of mostly water, there can be a good amount of rusted metal in the block and on any metal in the water pump.
The brown in your radiator is not rust. It is residue for the original orange Dex cool crap the factory put in the car. The brown “mud” setting in the bottom of your radiator can cause up to 50% of your radiator to “not work”.
GM didnt start using Dex Cool in their cars until 96 and later. His car is a 94, which came with green glycol.... so if its brownish colored, its rust. The car is also 20 years old now, and who knows whats been run through the system? If someone ran plain water in it for a while, or an imbalanced mix of mostly water, there can be a good amount of rusted metal in the block and on any metal in the water pump.
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Easy enough to test, dip a magnet in the coolant. If the brown stuff wipes off easly is Dex cool. If it really wants to stick to the magnet it is ferrous oxide (rust)
Just to clear up a few facts for anyone following along.
The brown in your radiator is not rust. It is residue for the original orange Dex cool crap the factory put in the car. The brown “mud” setting in the bottom of your radiator can cause up to 50% of your radiator to “not work”.
GM didnt start using Dex Cool in their cars until 96 and later. His car is a 94, which came with green glycol.... so if its brownish colored, its rust. The car is also 20 years old now, and who knows whats been run through the system? If someone ran plain water in it for a while, or an imbalanced mix of mostly water, there can be a good amount of rusted metal in the block and on any metal in the water pump.
The brown in your radiator is not rust. It is residue for the original orange Dex cool crap the factory put in the car. The brown “mud” setting in the bottom of your radiator can cause up to 50% of your radiator to “not work”.
GM didnt start using Dex Cool in their cars until 96 and later. His car is a 94, which came with green glycol.... so if its brownish colored, its rust. The car is also 20 years old now, and who knows whats been run through the system? If someone ran plain water in it for a while, or an imbalanced mix of mostly water, there can be a good amount of rusted metal in the block and on any metal in the water pump.
Easy enough to test, dip a magnet in the coolant. If the brown stuff wipes off easly is Dex cool. If it really wants to stick to the magnet it is ferrous oxide (rust)
Last edited by Gorn; Jan 31, 2013 at 02:59 PM.
Alright, so here is a little update. First off, I already did the coolant flush unfortunately so I cant do the test.. which reallys sucks since Ii would have liked to know if it was the water pump or not. Anyhow, I noticed that the guy before me had done something to that little 3" hose by the water pump. Yea, I couldnt tell if it was leaking when under pressure, I didnt bother waiting. It was torn at the top, pinched, the top was blown up off of the pipe. If that wasnt off enough, he did apparently mess with it at one point. Instead of the normal clamps that come on it, there was an intake screw on clamp. So I got the actual clamps and another one of these hoses. After I did that, I took it out for a drive, got it warm, then put it in the driveway running, and it didnt heat up. Now, I didnt have a problem before hand until a couple hours later either, so Im not positive that this worked but so far, Ive noticed a difference in the hoses. Before all the hoses were stiff but you could still squeeze throw them pretty easily and only got warm not hot. Now they are stiff and hot. My heat also started working a lot earlier than normal. Now this is the weird part, that hose wasnt clogged when I took it off, and I never noticed it leaking. So why would everything magically change when I replaced this part? Its possible this was leaking and I would have never know though, because I did see how the fluid fell when I took it off. It went into the engine and dripped down in all these areas that are hard to see. But that is the only thing I can possibly think of as to why everything would start working again. I just missed the leaking because it dripped down in the cubby hole by the water pump. Well, we will see if that did it or not after an hour run tomorrow.
ok, you must not be very popular on this forum. you dont seem to know very much, you just like to be a critic. also, you dont read well do you?! my OLD camaro didnt need the air dam. and i DIDNT need to get one because it didnt need it AT ALL. I plan on doing all the same stuff, and did plan on keeping the air dam just to push more air in, but now i might take it off just to spite your smart attitude.
sum up - i know what im doing and I know how to analyze problems. i do ask for help when certain problems that end up mind boggling me like this happens.
also, if you arent actually going to put in some educational input and just criticize me as well as someone that was just being polite and having a conversation, then dont bother commenting, delete your profile, and get off this excellent forum. We dont need people like you making this forum just as bad as all the other ones.
sum up - i know what im doing and I know how to analyze problems. i do ask for help when certain problems that end up mind boggling me like this happens.
also, if you arent actually going to put in some educational input and just criticize me as well as someone that was just being polite and having a conversation, then dont bother commenting, delete your profile, and get off this excellent forum. We dont need people like you making this forum just as bad as all the other ones.
I am pleased as punch to hear that you know what you are doing.
My reading comprehension skills may be lacking because it sure seemed to me like you said you installed a fan switch and removed the air dam. A lot smarter people than me engineered the air dam for vettes and camaros for a reason and I'm not one to question their design.
With respect to being liked or disliked..................on a forum; are you actually serious?
feel free to go back and read any responses I've made and point out .........and here comes the operative words...........factually incorrect replies I give.
hmmm, so we have several topics embedded within this thread
one- an individual who installed 180 thermo and wonders why the heat doesn't work that great
two- an individual who misleads someone to believe that installing a fan switch is an acceptable replacement to the factory air dam. Whether or not the words were typed exactly that way that is in effect the message given
third- one of those posters who made the false claim then attacks me and accuses me of being technically incorrect. I give you credit for having a large set because you gave me a good laugh; and that's all that you accomplished.
I just hope the person who was supplied the questionable suggestion will research posts about the air dam and make his/her own decision
I am pleased as punch to hear that you know what you are doing.
My reading comprehension skills may be lacking because it sure seemed to me like you said you installed a fan switch and removed the air dam. A lot smarter people than me engineered the air dam for vettes and camaros for a reason and I'm not one to question their design.
With respect to being liked or disliked..................on a forum; are you actually serious?
feel free to go back and read any responses I've made and point out .........and here comes the operative words...........factually incorrect replies I give.
hmmm, so we have several topics embedded within this thread
one- an individual who installed 180 thermo and wonders why the heat doesn't work that great
two- an individual who misleads someone to believe that installing a fan switch is an acceptable replacement to the factory air dam. Whether or not the words were typed exactly that way that is in effect the message given
third- one of those posters who made the false claim then attacks me and accuses me of being technically incorrect. I give you credit for having a large set because you gave me a good laugh; and that's all that you accomplished.
I just hope the person who was supplied the questionable suggestion will research posts about the air dam and make his/her own decision
My reading comprehension skills may be lacking because it sure seemed to me like you said you installed a fan switch and removed the air dam. A lot smarter people than me engineered the air dam for vettes and camaros for a reason and I'm not one to question their design.
With respect to being liked or disliked..................on a forum; are you actually serious?
feel free to go back and read any responses I've made and point out .........and here comes the operative words...........factually incorrect replies I give.
hmmm, so we have several topics embedded within this thread
one- an individual who installed 180 thermo and wonders why the heat doesn't work that great
two- an individual who misleads someone to believe that installing a fan switch is an acceptable replacement to the factory air dam. Whether or not the words were typed exactly that way that is in effect the message given
third- one of those posters who made the false claim then attacks me and accuses me of being technically incorrect. I give you credit for having a large set because you gave me a good laugh; and that's all that you accomplished.
I just hope the person who was supplied the questionable suggestion will research posts about the air dam and make his/her own decision
But Im not going to play who has the bigger ***** and continuing to argue.
No reason to bother making myself look foolish being childish fighting on a forum. I rather keep this forums standards a little higher than that.
Good day to you sir.
94, I missed that earlier post of yours, or I would have chimed in earlier. First let me say let's keep this civilized, we're all here to help each other.
In regards to the air dam....take a look at the front grill of my car, or any others like it. Driving on the open road naturally crams air through the radiator. Now look at your car....no front open grille. The air dam hangs down, grabs moving air, and directs it up and through the radiator. Also, while driving down the road, the electric fan is useless and not needed when you have fast moving air coming through. Electric fan for city driving, air dam for highway driving.
In regards to the air dam....take a look at the front grill of my car, or any others like it. Driving on the open road naturally crams air through the radiator. Now look at your car....no front open grille. The air dam hangs down, grabs moving air, and directs it up and through the radiator. Also, while driving down the road, the electric fan is useless and not needed when you have fast moving air coming through. Electric fan for city driving, air dam for highway driving.
Last edited by Camaro 69; Feb 1, 2013 at 09:37 AM.
94, I missed that earlier post of yours, or I would have chimed in earlier. First let me say let's keep this civilized, we're all here to help each other.
In regards to the air dam....take a look at the front grill of my car, or any others like it. Driving on the open road naturally crams air through the radiator. Now look at your car....no front open grille. The air dam hangs down, grabs moving air, and directs it up and through the radiator. Also, while driving down the road, the electric fan is useless and not needed when you have fast moving air coming through. Electric fan for city driving, air dam for highway driving.
In regards to the air dam....take a look at the front grill of my car, or any others like it. Driving on the open road naturally crams air through the radiator. Now look at your car....no front open grille. The air dam hangs down, grabs moving air, and directs it up and through the radiator. Also, while driving down the road, the electric fan is useless and not needed when you have fast moving air coming through. Electric fan for city driving, air dam for highway driving.
The way the air dam came up was this. Remember my old camaro Sheila? I redid the whole cooling and heating system on her. So much so, that I never needed the air dam. It wasnt even there because it broke off. But Sheila never had a problem with overheating ever again. I put the fan to a switch because the camaro doesn't turn it on soon enough in most cases and I know the relay goes very often in these cars and I don't want to risk it. Im more secure knowing when its on. I know the function of the air dam and that it helps these cars greatly because the front end is so closed up, the only point was, I didnt have it in Sheila and didnt need it.
Now in Sydney, yes I need it and still have it. Now I made an update of my original problem, I wonder if anyone has even seen it, because this other guy moved the focal point so much.
Back on the subject, I will include an update after I make the 2 hour run to get my girlfriend from college today. Hopefully the 3" coolant tube being replaced with the proper clamps helped. We will see.



