On my own 67rsssconvertable camaro
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On my own 67rsssconvertable camaro
my husband died and I was left with a beautiful 67 RSS big block convertible Camaro had nowhere to store it lifelong friend said I can store it at his place instead of storing it he was driving it when I went to go get the car he wrecked it totally on my own for the first time in my life barely making **** for money I'm going to have to get this car going on my own for my husband can use all the help I can get all the advice anything
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Jen I would be happy to help you with any advice that I can.
First thing I would like say if you did not give your husbands friend permission to drive the car and he did and then he wrecked it he has put himself in a very actionable position. This guy can not be charged with stealing because he was in possession of the car but he is guilty of conversion. Conversion is a legal term for when one person uses another persons thing without permission. I know of this because I have seen it used against mechanics. A car get dropped off and the mechanic is allowed to test drive it. He is not given permission to race. He get into a race. He is guilty of conversion. He converted your property to his use. The fact is he does not even have to hurt the car. He is still guilty of conversion. Conversion is a civil matter. He can not go to jail for it, think of it like breaking a contract. The money will very depending on the law in your state. In some states you can be awarded up to 3 times the value of the object in other states they just have to make you whole.
Does your husband friend own his home? His home owners insurance may pay the settlement as long as the home owner was not charged with a crime. You should talk to attorney.
If you in anyway feel sorry for your husband friend, know this. If my best friend betrayed my wife by knowing putting a major investment on the road without insurance I would want him to suffer in ways you could not even imagine, not just financially. If he owns his own home he will most likely only see a small increase in his insurance payment. If he is half a man he would be happy to pay the extra insurance. I am not dumb enough to be put in that situation but if I was and I could not pay you out right for the car I would beg you to sue me. My home owners would pay and I would get to sleep at night. I would probably buy the wreck from the insurance company and fix the mess I made. Once it was done I would offer to sell it back to you.
Like I said I will help you anyway I can but fixing a wrecked 60's convertible camaro is something that should be done by a pro for 2 reasons. One: The cars are flimsy to start with and any real hit to the car could mean hours if not days on a frame machine. That will need done before you can really figure everything that needs fixed. That will be $150-250 per hour. Two: the big block version is worth a lot of money even small mistakes in the body are going to tell a collector that something was done by a non-pro. That means there is no telling what is under the paint. So one small mistake that even a good body man may make can drop the value of the car $20,000 . All repairs should be done by a restoration expert or someone that is good and is not worried about the time it will take to get it right.
Also know that even a totaled 67 ragtop big block assuming it is a real car and not a clone, is work real money. For around 18K you can buy a whole body. Figure 10-12K to move the parts from the wrecked shell to the new shell. For around 30k you could end up with a 60K or more car. That means if you bought the wrecked car for 20-25K you could make out and have a brand new body.
First thing I would like say if you did not give your husbands friend permission to drive the car and he did and then he wrecked it he has put himself in a very actionable position. This guy can not be charged with stealing because he was in possession of the car but he is guilty of conversion. Conversion is a legal term for when one person uses another persons thing without permission. I know of this because I have seen it used against mechanics. A car get dropped off and the mechanic is allowed to test drive it. He is not given permission to race. He get into a race. He is guilty of conversion. He converted your property to his use. The fact is he does not even have to hurt the car. He is still guilty of conversion. Conversion is a civil matter. He can not go to jail for it, think of it like breaking a contract. The money will very depending on the law in your state. In some states you can be awarded up to 3 times the value of the object in other states they just have to make you whole.
Does your husband friend own his home? His home owners insurance may pay the settlement as long as the home owner was not charged with a crime. You should talk to attorney.
If you in anyway feel sorry for your husband friend, know this. If my best friend betrayed my wife by knowing putting a major investment on the road without insurance I would want him to suffer in ways you could not even imagine, not just financially. If he owns his own home he will most likely only see a small increase in his insurance payment. If he is half a man he would be happy to pay the extra insurance. I am not dumb enough to be put in that situation but if I was and I could not pay you out right for the car I would beg you to sue me. My home owners would pay and I would get to sleep at night. I would probably buy the wreck from the insurance company and fix the mess I made. Once it was done I would offer to sell it back to you.
Like I said I will help you anyway I can but fixing a wrecked 60's convertible camaro is something that should be done by a pro for 2 reasons. One: The cars are flimsy to start with and any real hit to the car could mean hours if not days on a frame machine. That will need done before you can really figure everything that needs fixed. That will be $150-250 per hour. Two: the big block version is worth a lot of money even small mistakes in the body are going to tell a collector that something was done by a non-pro. That means there is no telling what is under the paint. So one small mistake that even a good body man may make can drop the value of the car $20,000 . All repairs should be done by a restoration expert or someone that is good and is not worried about the time it will take to get it right.
Also know that even a totaled 67 ragtop big block assuming it is a real car and not a clone, is work real money. For around 18K you can buy a whole body. Figure 10-12K to move the parts from the wrecked shell to the new shell. For around 30k you could end up with a 60K or more car. That means if you bought the wrecked car for 20-25K you could make out and have a brand new body.
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Jen I would be happy to help you with any advice that I can.
First thing I would like say if you did not give your husbands friend permission to drive the car and he did and then he wrecked it he has put himself in a very actionable position. This guy can not be charged with stealing because he was in possession of the car but he is guilty of conversion. Conversion is a legal term for when one person uses another persons thing without permission. I know of this because I have seen it used against mechanics. A car get dropped off and the mechanic is allowed to test drive it. He is not given permission to race. He get into a race. He is guilty of conversion. He converted your property to his use. The fact is he does not even have to hurt the car. He is still guilty of conversion. Conversion is a civil matter. He can not go to jail for it, think of it like breaking a contract. The money will very depending on the law in your state. In some states you can be awarded up to 3 times the value of the object in other states they just have to make you whole.
Does your husband friend own his home? His home owners insurance may pay the settlement as long as the home owner was not charged with a crime. You should talk to attorney.
If you in anyway feel sorry for your husband friend, know this. If my best friend betrayed my wife by knowing putting a major investment on the road without insurance I would want him to suffer in ways you could not even imagine, not just financially. If he owns his own home he will most likely only see a small increase in his insurance payment. If he is half a man he would be happy to pay the extra insurance. I am not dumb enough to be put in that situation but if I was and I could not pay you out right for the car I would beg you to sue me. My home owners would pay and I would get to sleep at night. I would probably buy the wreck from the insurance company and fix the mess I made. Once it was done I would offer to sell it back to you.
Like I said I will help you anyway I can but fixing a wrecked 60's convertible camaro is something that should be done by a pro for 2 reasons. One: The cars are flimsy to start with and any real hit to the car could mean hours if not days on a frame machine. That will need done before you can really figure everything that needs fixed. That will be $150-250 per hour. Two: the big block version is worth a lot of money even small mistakes in the body are going to tell a collector that something was done by a non-pro. That means there is no telling what is under the paint. So one small mistake that even a good body man may make can drop the value of the car $20,000 . All repairs should be done by a restoration expert or someone that is good and is not worried about the time it will take to get it right.
Also know that even a totaled 67 ragtop big block assuming it is a real car and not a clone, is work real money. For around 18K you can buy a whole body. Figure 10-12K to move the parts from the wrecked shell to the new shell. For around 30k you could end up with a 60K or more car. That means if you bought the wrecked car for 20-25K you could make out and have a brand new body.
First thing I would like say if you did not give your husbands friend permission to drive the car and he did and then he wrecked it he has put himself in a very actionable position. This guy can not be charged with stealing because he was in possession of the car but he is guilty of conversion. Conversion is a legal term for when one person uses another persons thing without permission. I know of this because I have seen it used against mechanics. A car get dropped off and the mechanic is allowed to test drive it. He is not given permission to race. He get into a race. He is guilty of conversion. He converted your property to his use. The fact is he does not even have to hurt the car. He is still guilty of conversion. Conversion is a civil matter. He can not go to jail for it, think of it like breaking a contract. The money will very depending on the law in your state. In some states you can be awarded up to 3 times the value of the object in other states they just have to make you whole.
Does your husband friend own his home? His home owners insurance may pay the settlement as long as the home owner was not charged with a crime. You should talk to attorney.
If you in anyway feel sorry for your husband friend, know this. If my best friend betrayed my wife by knowing putting a major investment on the road without insurance I would want him to suffer in ways you could not even imagine, not just financially. If he owns his own home he will most likely only see a small increase in his insurance payment. If he is half a man he would be happy to pay the extra insurance. I am not dumb enough to be put in that situation but if I was and I could not pay you out right for the car I would beg you to sue me. My home owners would pay and I would get to sleep at night. I would probably buy the wreck from the insurance company and fix the mess I made. Once it was done I would offer to sell it back to you.
Like I said I will help you anyway I can but fixing a wrecked 60's convertible camaro is something that should be done by a pro for 2 reasons. One: The cars are flimsy to start with and any real hit to the car could mean hours if not days on a frame machine. That will need done before you can really figure everything that needs fixed. That will be $150-250 per hour. Two: the big block version is worth a lot of money even small mistakes in the body are going to tell a collector that something was done by a non-pro. That means there is no telling what is under the paint. So one small mistake that even a good body man may make can drop the value of the car $20,000 . All repairs should be done by a restoration expert or someone that is good and is not worried about the time it will take to get it right.
Also know that even a totaled 67 ragtop big block assuming it is a real car and not a clone, is work real money. For around 18K you can buy a whole body. Figure 10-12K to move the parts from the wrecked shell to the new shell. For around 30k you could end up with a 60K or more car. That means if you bought the wrecked car for 20-25K you could make out and have a brand new body.
this is what he did a layer I can barley make rent
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I get that but if he has homeowners insurance a lawyer may take the case one knowing he has to win to get paid. Standard fee in this situation is 1/3 of the settlement if he has to go to court and 1/4 if he can just negotiate with the insurance company. Keep in mind that you need to check with him on what is the possible pay out. Like I said before some states allow you to collect up to 3 times the value of the item that was converted. one could easily argue a value of that car is $40,000-50,000. So we are not talking about some small case a lawyer will laugh at. Your risk is a phone call. I am not a lawyer but I think the three main questions are. Does he own his home, Does he have homeowners insurance? Was he arrested or charged with a crime? At least here in PA an insurance company can deny a claim if the person was in the commission of a crime. Even if he was you should still talk to a lawyer to see if there are any option. If the lawyer is looking for work you could seize the house and split the proceeds. A lot of lawyer dabble in real estate. Trust me when I say the chance of a 40K payout for less then 20 hours of work would have many lawyer lining up.
Luckly that does not look like a super hard hit. As a general rule trailers do not have strong structure. It may have hit something on the way to the trailer. If the Hideaway headlight system has taken damage that can get pricey and most of the cost will be in parts. Frenders and hoods are not a big deal but that will need a pro to get it lined up and painted to match. A good body man may be able to straighten them and if they are original it may be worth it but there is no way to skimp on that.
Like I said I will do anything I can to help. Just let me know how I can help.
Luckly that does not look like a super hard hit. As a general rule trailers do not have strong structure. It may have hit something on the way to the trailer. If the Hideaway headlight system has taken damage that can get pricey and most of the cost will be in parts. Frenders and hoods are not a big deal but that will need a pro to get it lined up and painted to match. A good body man may be able to straighten them and if they are original it may be worth it but there is no way to skimp on that.
Like I said I will do anything I can to help. Just let me know how I can help.
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first I would like to say thank you for your encouraging words people have wanted to work on it many unqualified people I feel I let my husband down by trusting a friend a few people have wanted to buy the car is but I live in a small town in the Sierras and I just couldn't bear seeing some stranger driving it I'd rather burn it and kill myself I have an 83 CJ7 that I might be able to get 8,000 for but that's not even going to make a dent in the repairs of the Camaro. My husband was my life for 37 years and I'm not used to making big decisions on my own much less live on my own but I know he wanted me to drive that car so I'm going to take your advice and I'm going to look into getting a lawyer the guy who did this owns property there was no witness to him wrecking the car but he got a ticket in it when he was driving it wish me luck and thank you thank you thank you for taking the time and writing me thank you Jen
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Just look at the camaro in my signature and I was married in 1988. My wife loves my car but I think that is because she knows what it means to me. I once asked her if she would sell it after I passed, she said she more likely to sleep in it. She found the car for me back in 1998. Your post hit close to home. Please keep us updated.
Just so you know there are a few things that are not correct on the car. The fender markings, hood fins and the complete lack of reverse lights. Assuming it is a clone it should still be worth 30-35K No matter what it is still a solid 1st gen convertible camaro. . If you need to know about the origin of the car for value purposes, we can help you. There is a Cowl tag on the fire wall that should list all the options the car came with originally. We can show you where and if you take a pic we can help decode it.
Assuming you come out the other side with the car repaired. They make bubbles you can store your car in outdoors. Good outdoor coverers will help with sun damage, the sun is hard on the rag top. Tarps and things like that can be very hard on the car rust wise, a good cover will breathe and allow the car to dry pretty quickly after the rain.
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