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Old 05-13-2018, 05:05 PM
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That's because the 396 hasn't been made for many years,454's were in a lot of trucks for many years after the last 396's were made and for years after the last big block cars with 454's which was mid 1970's. Pickups Suburbans and motorhomes had the old MK IV version up 'till about 1990 so there's still a lot of them out there.
Ok, makes sense. Now I have to ask, what would be the best 454 to look for? Any way to identity the better blocks? Also, what make some 454’s better than others? Thanks
 
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Old 05-13-2018, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Loyrat
If you go 454, there are 2 different deck heights, 9.80 and 10.20. The 396 is a 9.80 block, so stay with that deck height, it makes stock stuff fit your application.
is that just for good clearance? Would it make any difference if that car has a 2” cowl good?
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Originally Posted by Gabet95


is that just for good clearance? Would it make any difference if that car has a 2” cowl good?
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The tall deck (10.2") originated in the trucks. That's the distance from the crankshaft centerline to the deck surface (where the cylinder heads bolt on). The block is taller and wider than a passenger block. 1974 was the last year of a 454 passenger block used in production. I have a spare 1974 454 passenger block in my garage. On the tall deck blocks intake manifolds are wider, distributors are taller, and exhaust needs to be modified. 454 passenger block (9.80) crate engines have been made and still offered.
 

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Originally Posted by Al Loyrat
The tall deck (10.2") originated in the trucks. That's the distance from the crankshaft centerline to the deck surface (where the cylinder heads bolt on). The block is taller and wider than a passenger block. 1974 was the last year of a 454 passenger block used in production. I have a spare 1974 454 passenger block in my garage. Intake manifolds are wider, distributors are taller, and exhaust needs to be modified. 454 passenger block (9.80) crate engines have been made and still offered.
Wasn't the tall deck just in the heavy trucks? I think a pickup or Suburban had the same old 454 as the passenger cars but I could be wrong.I have one in my '78 pickup but it's not the original engine,guess I should pull the numbers and see what it is. I have an Edlebrock Performer intake and headers on it so I'm sure it's not the tall deck. I believe the tall deck truck engines had 4 piston rings and taller pistons so a taller block.
 
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Ok, makes sense. Now I have to ask, what would be the best 454 to look for? Any way to identity the better blocks? Also, what make some 454’s better than others? Thanks
Well just like the 396 and 427 engines there was a variety of different versions and hp ratings in any given year.The high performance engines had better heads,usually 4 bolt main caps,forged steel crank and rods etc.etc. So an early one from a Corvette or SS Chevelle would be nice but good luck finding one. (LS6) A lot of 3/4 ton pickup trucks had the 4 bolt mains and steel cranks so they are a good start for a build.
 
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Originally Posted by Al Loyrat
The tall deck (10.2") originated in the trucks. That's the distance from the crankshaft centerline to the deck surface (where the cylinder heads bolt on). The block is taller and wider than a passenger block. 1974 was the last year of a 454 passenger block used in production. I have a spare 1974 454 passenger block in my garage. On the tall deck blocks intake manifolds are wider, distributors are taller, and exhaust needs to be modified. 454 passenger block (9.80) crate engines have been made and still offered.
There were also tall deck 366 and 427s' before the 454's.
 
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The compression height was taller on the pistons when a 6.135 rod is used. Where the water pump attaches to the block, the top of the upper mounting ear of the water pump will be even with the deck on a 9.80 deck block; on a 10.20 deck the top of the water pump mounting ear is .400" below the deck of the block.
 
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There were also tall deck 366 and 427s' before the 454's.
yes there were
 
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Originally Posted by Al Loyrat
The tall deck (10.2") originated in the trucks. That's the distance from the crankshaft centerline to the deck surface (where the cylinder heads bolt on). The block is taller and wider than a passenger block. 1974 was the last year of a 454 passenger block used in production. I have a spare 1974 454 passenger block in my garage. On the tall deck blocks intake manifolds are wider, distributors are taller, and exhaust needs to be modified. 454 passenger block (9.80) crate engines have been made and still offered.
So I should be looking for a 454 from 74 or earlier, make sure it came out of a passenger car......that would be the ideal setup to start with.....right?
 
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So I should be looking for a 454 from 74 or earlier, make sure it came out of a passenger car......that would be the ideal setup to start with.....right?
any idea what number stamp should be on the block?
 


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