General Motors!!!! FIRE YOU CONCEPT TEAM!!!!! has any members of this design team EVEN LOOKED AT A 67-69 camaro? it looks like they were playing too many video games and drooling over skylines....cause thats what it looks like. Look, fords are best as boat moorings but the new mustang actually carries the spirit of the 69 mustang fastback in its styling. my brother has restored a 62 impala ss and i a 65 nova coupe and in the process with a 70 chevy k-10 4x4 shortbed. i just bought an aveo (i know its a daewoo) as a get around car. i grew up with chevys, i buy and support chevrolet when i can, but this kills me to see gm in the toilet. no design innovation. how many years to compete with the pt cruiser? mustangs already out. was that a gto or eurocoupe? and now dodge is bringing out the hemi challenger!

alright i bitched enough. does anyone here, after looking at the mustang and challenger, think gm is cheating us with the new camaro? even a little?

only thing i didnt care for on the unveiling was the front end, but ive seen a couple revised camaro's (i live 10 miles from the GM innovation center) the black SS wich is wicked sweet, and the red and silver one. chrysler and ford dont have a thing on them.

by the way i was driving to work the other day and i saw what appeared to be a prototype el camino, the thing looked awesome, it had kinda like the new monte carlo GFX, but a pointier front end, it had quad exhaust, and awesome rims, with the bed in the back. it had a manufacturer's plate on it and he was turning to go back into the parking lot when i saw him.

thanks for the info! i was a little shocked at what gm unveiled. just seems sometimes that the suits at gm have lost touch with the gm car community, like they forgot or are trying to forget their past. so a new el camino? that would be interesting considering there's no competitor in that market right now. hope it does good

o shut the hell up u dont even know wut u talkin about the camaro concept looks good so i dont know what u talkin about.

Its all about opinion my freind. Which that is why Im replying myself. Whats going to happen is GM is going to put this thing in production and sell a bunch of them off hand and there will be a sharp decline. Reason being is that (IMO) Camaro fans just want another Camaro no matter how bad it looks and the price. I find it funny that in the forums people say price will make a difference if it will sell or not.Not so, American consumers are impulse buyers and then end up in foreclosure,repo, etc. I think they should not put it in production because when I look at it I see a Cadillac. How dare GM recreate a legend in the likings of a luxury car. Thats blasphemy!!!!! Challenger -looks like muscle the Rustang looks like muscle. NOT THE CONCEPT CAMARO. So before you blast someone for their opinion, think about it.

i mean the camaro looks good like i said b4 ya kno but price dosnt matter im rich anyway i jus dont look at the prices and get it and my parents pay 4 it later i wont say im spoil jus get wut i want when i want my dad owns the university mall here in tuscaloosa so if u come stop by .

I agree with insulentgenie and sshowgun, in my perspective the new Camaro is a disgrace to its name. I would like to know whats was going on in their minds when they decided to call it a Camaro. It definately doesn't look like any Camaro I have seen.

ever heard of 5th gen. camaro duh it dont look like a camaro cause its a 5th. gen different look different specs think people think b4 u type

I need a little help. I am going to buy a 78' or 79' Camaro Z28 and was wundrin' if i should get a 4 speed or auto.

Did anyone see the the lead designer on the new Camaro? He was Japanese! Why the hell would GM put a guy from Japan as the lead designer for the New Camaro; the epitome of AMERICAN muscle?!?! When the car was first revealed they said it was designed after the 69 Camaro. The car looks more like a Cadillac than a Camaro. They could have at least put the signature fender flares that ran straight off the top of the fender that so distinguished the 69 Camaro from other 1st Gen Camaros but nooooo. I really think they screwed this car up. And I pray that they make some major changes to it before its release. A larger grill, square tail lights, 69 style fender flares, or maybe a completely different concept should make it acceptable. If they werent trying to go retro then the car would be more acceptable but they ARE trying to go retro. If the 05 Mustang had stayed the same aas the 04 then I dont think GM would have released it in the first place. And the 05 mustang sells so well because it looks so old. It doesnt look like a car from the year 2150. The Challenger looks amazing because it looks EXACTLY like the old Challenger. I say they fire the designer and start over from scratch. Maybe hire some 50 year old man they meet at a local car show that owns a 69 Camaro. Im sure his idea would be 1000x better.

Compare:
http://www.planetcamaro.com/ccimages/19.jpg Camaro

http://www.cardata.com/2005/cadillac_cts-v.jpg Cadillac

Heh I think the new camaro looks sick, bad ass, and cant wait to own one :)

I have been a camaro lover since I was about 6 years old and the guy down the street from me had a 69 SS black on black with white racing stripes. That car was just amazing. I grew up around gm cars my uncles got a 1971 Chevelle and my dad has a 87' Grand National and an 87' Turbo T. I'm only 18 years old so by the time I got my license the camaro was done with. My parents wanted me to get a new car for college because i was driving an old beat up 91 cavilier so the only choice i really had was the mustang and i love the car. When i heard that gm was coming out with a retro camaro i was estatic but i have to say that i was just disgusted with that horrible looking car. I mean is it really that hard. If gm would just realize that people dont want the futuristic look and do what dodge is doing they would hold my interest. All they have to do is reproduce the 67-69 with updated technology and i guarentee you that they would sell alot more then the mustangs. I have never come across any car guy that didnt like the 1st gen camaros. JMO

I like it. Of course it's going to look different, it's a new generation of Camaro.

I can understand what some of you are saying in the light of "its a new gen/5th gen! Of course its going to look different," But just like every one else is saying, its supposed to be retro. A kick back to the '69 body style. The MOST saught affter camaro on the planet.

Is it ugly on its own as a car... a little. I dont like it to much my self. Does it look like a 1st gen, NO!! does it slightly resemble a 1st gen... Sort of but, only if you cock your head, squint your eyes and shake your head really fast.

Who ever designed this thing should be fired. It DOES look like the Cadillac CTS. And that in its self is the problem. It's GM trying to save some $$ by building the car on an already pre-existing platform. The camaro NEVER shared a chasis with any other GM product. I hate it when companies do this kind of crap. It's like they dont understand if your going to do it, doit right or dont do it at all.

GM has absolutely FAILED on this one. If I ever were to meet the guy who is resposible for letting this pass, i would kick him in the balls b/c he doesn't deserve to have them.

(sigh)...I dont like it at all...It looks like a cadillac...It looks like a mom car...I dont like the whole " future" look...Gm is getting lazy...All the 2007 cars look the same...I cant believe This lead disigner is a japanese man...This is an American muscle car...I have to agree with the whole ( grab some 50 year old man they meet at a local car show that owns a 69 Camaro. Im sure his idea would be 1000x better) Idea...It probably would...This sucks...[:@][:'(]

( dont take any offence, just opinions)

i dont think its 100% bad looking. but it is 95% bad looking. i think they should bring back the old school front end like off the 68 or 69 put the old 15' rims on it with big meaty white wall tires mabye a 355/60ZR15 custom cheater slicks in back none of this 18' or 19' rim **** like on the vettes. offer it with the 572 then use an old school 4 speed rock crusher trans. screw gas milage put sick gears in the back. and offer a limited editon that comes bored and sleeved (if you can even do that to a 572) and blown w/quad 3' pipes should push over 1000+hp (put that in your pipe and smoke it hybrid drivers). that would be above and beyond anything anything ford or chrysler would ever dream of only way that would happen is if chevy or pontiac made it happen.i want good old fashion ground shaking earth shattering power that only gm can provide. i would be willing to take a morgage out to buy that thing then live in it. of course they should offer it in a convertible and v6 all that boaring stuff. as you can see im all about the power. chevy could do all that and still sell it for less then that pussy ford gt

I bet in 2009 they will reintroduce the firebird CAMARO-1967 and 2007 ; FIREBIRD-1969 and 2009? perhaps?

Personally I love the new camaro. I mean you can't expect GM to bring back the exact styling of the original car. Look at mustang, ya it looks fine, but it's not exactly like the original fastback. It has new lines and a newer fresher look. Ya it may not be what you wanted but an automotive corporation can't make the same old thing over and over and over just to make some people happy. Their out there to bring a new look on the street. Ya the new camaro looks kinda like the cadillac but thats a body style thats working right now and is bringing in the money so they try to work with that to make money. The new concept is rocking just be happy that camaro actually has a good chance of coming back. Oh ya and by the way the reason it took so long is because, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, that GM sighned a contract saying that they will wait so long to reintraduse the car back into the market. Oh ya and the reason mustang came out so fast with a new concept is because they had no compotion from GM so they could experament with out worries besides mustangs a good seller hell I see a lot of women driving them and since women out number men ford counted on that to keep their number up

What exactly are you talking about...?

I already have a '69 Camaro and really like it. I am hoping to buy a 2009 Camaro when it comes out. If I wanted another '69, I go buy another one. Maybe if you really want a '69 you should go buy one. . . just a thought. :eek:

hey hardwire666 did you gorget about the firebird? anyway i think the new camaro is beautiful, it has an old look but it isnt an old looking car if you get what im saying. its looks like a new car but deep down you know its a camaro. and besides the 5th gene resembles the 1st more than the 4th did.

The first time I saw the 67 Camaro I fell in love with it, it was my first new car. I get the same feeling from the concept car I saw at the Toronto Car show this year. I hope GM doesn't screwp and try to change it.
Gordon

Hey man, i like the way she looks, although i will admit i love the way that new 08 challenger looks and i'm not a big dodge fan. I do agree they could have but a lil more work in her though, but she ain't as bad as you claim her to look.

i gotta asy with as much respect as i can, that all u people that hate the new camaro looks are crazy... so ok the front end is a little wack.... but as a whole, i thinks its freakin gorgeous.... when i saw it unveiled at teh LA auto show last year i nearly peed my pants... if u havent seen it in person then u cant judge, its freakin gorgeous in person, a hundred times better looking thatn on paper

Hugger Orange has it right. If you want a 69 camaro then build one. No car maker is going to make the exact same car 40 years later. GM said they took design q's from the 69 which is obvious to me. I dont understand how any camaro nut doesnt see that. The 2009 camaro looks alot more like the 69 camaro then the 2006 mustang looks like the 65 mustang IMO. however the challenger is pretty dead on. the 69 SS is by far my favorite car of all time and i plan to build one soon but if GM puts the LS7 in the new camaro with 505 hp i dont think i will be able to pass it up. I will say that i dont care for the tailpipes on the new camaro. they look like GM Chromed two circles on the bumper (cheap looking). Put those pipes below the bumper and bingo! Good job GM! YOU 2009 CAMARO HATERS ARE F'IN NUTS!

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I agree with insulentgenie and sshowgun, in my perspective the new Camaro is a disgrace to its name. I would like to know whats was going on in their minds when they decided to call it a Camaro. It definately doesn't look like any Camaro I have seen.


I'm in this camp,new here but had to chime in on this subject.
GM IMHO is asleep at the wheel as it were.
The new Dodge Challanger coming soon shouts classic muscle car and the new Mustangs are sweet looking with classic Mustang style and selling like hot cakes,wake up GM.
I've been a Chevy guy all my life (be 50 in a couple weeks) and we just bought a new Mustang ragtop.
What can I say? it's not like there was a new Camaro to look at and the Mustang is a sweet ride so I had to go blue oval.
Please GM bring me back to the bowtie.
At least it's an American car,I've never owned a foriegn car yet.

I drive my old GM truck when I'm not on the Harley so the car is really the wifey's.

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Hugger Orange has it right. If you want a 69 camaro then build one. No car maker is going to make the exact same car 40 years later. GM said they took design q's from the 69 which is obvious to me. I dont understand how any camaro nut doesnt see that. The 2009 camaro looks alot more like the 69 camaro then the 2006 mustang looks like the 65 mustang IMO. however the challenger is pretty dead on. the 69 SS is by far my favorite car of all time and i plan to build one soon but if GM puts the LS7 in the new camaro with 505 hp i dont think i will be able to pass it up. I will say that i dont care for the tailpipes on the new camaro. they look like GM Chromed two circles on the bumper (cheap looking). Put those pipes below the bumper and bingo! Good job GM! YOU 2009 CAMARO HATERS ARE F'IN NUTS!


Sorry but I gotta dissagree and the Mustang was taken from the 'second gen '67-'68 cars not 1st gen '64 1/2-'66 and resembles them a great deal.

I like the look of the new camaro although I think they should lose the styling from the 69 and make it a new Camaro I certionally dont think it is a copy as the challanger is. I am a growing a bit tired of the retro styling give us something new like they did with the new vette heck that is my favorite vette out of all of them.

They got the vette design from the late 70's Vette's

Well someone did a hell of a job improving that one then:D.

I think the new Camaro looks f'in awesome. Although i think a lot of the issues with GM styling lately is their photographers. I've disliked a lot of GM's styling wise from the pictures and then, after seeing it in person it's a hell of as lot better. Take the current Chevy Silverado or Trailblazer, their pictures made them look ugly but both are pretty good looking in person. The pics of the new Camaro are fantastic, but all they are is pics... and the styling could undergo small changes by production time. I'll reserve most of my judgements until i see the car in person.

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I'm in this camp,new here but had to chime in on this subject.
GM IMHO is asleep at the wheel as it were.
The new Dodge Challanger coming soon shouts classic muscle car and the new Mustangs are sweet looking with classic Mustang style and selling like hot cakes,wake up GM.
I've been a Chevy guy all my life (be 50 in a couple weeks) and we just bought a new Mustang ragtop.
What can I say? it's not like there was a new Camaro to look at and the Mustang is a sweet ride so I had to go blue oval.
Please GM bring me back to the bowtie.
At least it's an American car,I've never owned a foriegn car yet.



Nice liscence plate in the pic, it would take a Dick to sell a Ford. Just kidding though, I just don't like the new Mustangs. I'm Chevy all the way, but I do respect the older Mustangs because they are a classic and go way back with the Camaro. (And like you said, at least its American)

Anyway, back to the original topic. I used to like the new Camaro a lot, but now I think they could take it back a little more, make it a little more old-school.. Even if they don't, I'll be satisfied with the Camaro name, but I think a lot of people would appreciate more of a tribute to the classic Camaros. In 2002 they stopped making Camaros because sales weren't where they would have liked them to be. Personally I think that sucks, but what happens happens. GM should completely blow everyone away with the new Camaro, with more packages like the Z28 and SS to appeal to more people so the sales stay where they should.

Im not dogging the new Camaro, Im actually really glad they are making one again, but I think a few things could change.. Either way I would buy the new one.

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by the way i was driving to work the other day and i saw what appeared to be a prototype el camino, the thing looked awesome, it had kinda like the new monte carlo GFX, but a pointier front end, it had quad exhaust, and awesome rims, with the bed in the back. it had a manufacturer's plate on it and he was turning to go back into the parking lot when i saw him.
that would have been a Ute. it is one of GMs cars from down under. they are doing a lot of work with them over the last few years

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i mean the camaro looks good like i said b4 ya kno but price dosnt matter im rich anyway i jus dont look at the prices and get it and my parents pay 4 it later i wont say im spoil jus get wut i want when i want my dad owns the university mall here in tuscaloosa so if u come stop by .
if they are so rich then maybe they should send you to a decent school so you can learn to read, write, and learn proper grammar:eek:

I have to say that when I first saw the new Camaro, I thought it was ok at best. I have since seen it running and driving around other vehicles so I could get a better opinion, and I have to say that it stills needs tweaking in my eyes, but after seeing it in person I really like it a lot more

When I look at the concept pics for the new 'Maro, I see...
A little bit of all camaro generations. The rear fenders scream first gen, the long slopey hood says second, the square aggressive bulldog muscular look reminds me of third gens, and... ok, I don't see any fourth gen in it, but I don't like the fourths anyway (sorry, 3rd is my favorite). There is one motive behind GM pulling out the new camaro - money. They'll do whatever they can to get money. The Mustang/charger/challenger market has a big gm gap, and the new maro may fill that. Hopefully Chevy will learn from the GTO - a few people will buy the high-po version, but most will want the looks without the cost. If it can ring in cheaper than the Mustang, it'll sell (maybe even outsell the 'stang). If the 'maro will have a broad appeal to the masses, it'll have broader life to it. I don't think gm will have to worry about that initial explosion of sales, but it'll have to be able to compete with the competition to survive a full generation cycle. It blends the past with the future in style - the accents from former generations with the aggressive looks of the "futuristic" cars of today (ie RX8, etc - the "new" thinkers). I don't necessarily like how they've done it, but I do like the aggressive look. IMO, the 3rd gen is the most visually pleasing - that big square front end coming up in the rear mirror is def. more frightening than a mustang. And everyone knows mustangs are chick cars. That's what seperates the Camaro from the Stang. Mustang says "Where's the Beef?" Camaro answers "Right here". Course, it'll have the watered-down variants to boost sales, but there'll be an SS or Z28 for those who love the power.

One more thing, I don't see an LS7 'Maro from the factory. I don't see the 'Vette team letting anything from GM match the vette.
(I know there's a caddy that comes close, but it's uber expensive, so I won't really consider that.)

I don't know if I will try to buy one. I think i will have to wait, sometimes cars grow on you. I was'nt a huge fan of 3rd gen, now it is one of my favorites. Of course I think a 69 is the best, but i have to agree with Hugger; if you want a 69 get one. They can try to be retro but they have to be original at the same time.

With all that said i am not a fan of the new look.

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I have been a camaro lover since I was about 6 years old and the guy down the street from me had a 69 SS black on black with white racing stripes. That car was just amazing. I grew up around gm cars my uncles got a 1971 Chevelle and my dad has a 87' Grand National and an 87' Turbo T. I'm only 18 years old so by the time I got my license the camaro was done with. My parents wanted me to get a new car for college because i was driving an old beat up 91 cavilier so the only choice i really had was the mustang and i love the car. When i heard that gm was coming out with a retro camaro i was estatic but i have to say that i was just disgusted with that horrible looking car. I mean is it really that hard. If gm would just realize that people dont want the futuristic look and do what dodge is doing they would hold my interest. All they have to do is reproduce the 67-69 with updated technology and i guarentee you that they would sell alot more then the mustangs. I have never come across any car guy that didnt like the 1st gen camaros. JMO


I agree.. but I also agree with some of the people that say new camaro, new look. I think GM should have a new look, but just make it a lot more like the 1st gen camaro's. I don't like the taillights too much, and I saw a drawing of a Camaro concept with taillights just like the 1st gen and it looked great.. Out with the old, in with the new? Ok, on the outside make it look like the old Camaro's, and on the inside have the new.. thats how I would like to see the Camaro.

That goes to show You that everyone has opinions. The new probably won't be successful with the present concept look. It's too far removed from the retro design that's so popular today. The Mustang is a huge success and the Challenger will be too. Chevrolet and Pontiac have to appeal to the masses. If They don't, The Camaro / Firebird will go the way of the 4th Gen and We'll probably lose Them forever. It's not what We as individuals like that will sell these Cars. It's what the Public will buy. They have to soften the design and have it a little less radical. It's not a Corvette and shouldn't be treated as such by GM. Corvette buyers want a radical Car but the average Camaro / Firebird buyer wants something more akin to the Mustang / Challenger. If We want to have Our Muscle Camaros, They have to sell a whole bunch of base cars first.

I havent heard anything about new Firebirds.. Are they going to make them? and does anyone have a link to anything about them.. maybe a pic or something at least?

Edit:
found this, but I haven't looked much..
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2231000-2231999/2231040_14.jpg
looks a lot like the Camaro..

I think the new camaro is a joke and is a big insult to the origional real first generation camaro's. I think the designers with GM need to really get their act together because they are really makeing a big fool of themselves in front of ford and dodge.

My Grandfather owns a 69' Camaro SS sadly without its orginal 454:( but with a 350/300 conversion convertible, and I must say that this "5th Generation" is a disgrace to what the 69' stands for which is purely American muscle. I am very disappointed by GM but what can you do except pray for a V8 5.7 and hope they don't screw that up.

I can't wait for the new Camaro to come out. I hope they re-introduce the color Hugger Orange with white rally strips on the new Camaro. That would be sweet!! I'm going to buy one as my college graduation present to myself. One thing for me to look forward to, and help keep me motivated to finish my bachelor's degree...lol.

For everyone that hates the new stlye, iagree withyoubecause it doesnt look like acamaro and that sucks, and it is a disgrace but has anyone ever thought aboutwhen they went from first gen to second gen? how many people were pissed? how many thought it looked good? it doesnt matter what you think personally, gm cares about what their focus groups, and polls tell them America likes. If you take a look around everyone is driving imports the skyline supra etc. If gm makes this car lean more toward the style of an import then they have a chance to sell more.

Those of you who think it looks good, i agree with you too i wouldnt mind driving one. Granted i still hate when gm and ford say there gonna make a reproduction of a car and then hack its style in two. If they were truly going to make a repro then they should just take the old specs, tweak them (A BIT) to the emissions standards and saftey regulations of today. THAT would be a true reproduction not a cheesy knock off named a reproduction for the sake of selling more.

Hey Chevy Camaro you said you live in tuscaloosa? I live in Birmingham.

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I think the new camaro is a joke and is a big insult to the origional real first generation camaro's.


Your an idiot...ive read some stupid things but god that takes the cake. The new Maro' is a retro style based off the 69'....how the hell is it a insult to the first gens? I meen dam the car is RWD and is comeing witha LS2.....Thats pretty much what everycamaro is based on....RWD anda V8 priced cheap.:eek:
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For everyone that hates the new stlye, iagree withyoubecause it doesnt look like acamaro and that sucks, and it is a disgrace

Once again WTF are you looking at?

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If you take a look around everyone is driving imports the skyline supra etc. If gm makes this car lean more toward the style of an import then they have a chance to sell more.

So your saying that the Camaro should be a import and sport a 4cylinder and it would be more like a camaro? Ohhh and also how are you saying it should look like a IMPORT!?! Itsa freaking muscle car!

Ok, all I can say is think about how people felt when the second gen came out and looked nothing like the first... OH NO! THIRD GEN??? It looks even more different! Fourth gen looks even more different but well over look that because its fast! This one is a FIFTH GEN... not a FIRST Gen.

Theyre going to change the look just because it is a new car and not a 69. I would have to agree with the fact that the new challenger does look badass because it is a straight throwback to the classic, but mark my words, it is only going to last looking like that for three years tops and then theyre going to make it look like a new car.. Dodge is only doing that because they know they can make more intial sales with a gimick, but once people are over that, its gonna be old news.. GM is putting out a real quality product with the engineering and research behind it that any new car should have. Thats all I have to say and Im not going to argue with anyone that doesnt like the new Camaros, because nothing I say is going to change any opinions.. All I have to say to you is IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, DONT BUY ONE!

i know this is an old post, but you people who were dissin the new camaro are completely stupid. i dont know how you could look at the 09 and see anything BUT muscle. no sh*t it dosent look exactly like any camaro out there because its new. new generation, new style, new technology, ect. the front of that car looks so mean. if i saw that in my rearview i would get scared ill tell you that. you people say its a disgrace to the old camaros, well your a disgrace to the camaro community for knockin on the 5th Gen BEFORE IT EVEN CAME OUT.

right on red neck u hit the nail on the head for all of u that dont like the new camaro maybe your on the wrong site and driving the wrong cars check out the rustang site[sm=lame.gif][sm=wtf.gif][sm=wtf.gif][sm=wtf.gif][sm=wtf.gif][sm=WTFsgign.gif] how the hell can u knock a camaro u traders

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Wow...lots of opinions here...but rebuild the 69 Camaro? Get real...those cars were a POS! As the former owner of a real and original (and later modified) 69 RS/SS 350/300 convertible I can tell you for a fact what a rattletrap it was. The frame flexed, everything vibriated, and the steering was the worst you can possibly imagine due to the screwed up location of the steering box which had to be put in backwards to allow everything else to fit. Sure it was beautiful...beautiful to look at and great to drive on the freeway, and easy to steer around town and enjoy. But when you used it in the performance mode you had best be going only in a straight line and on a smooth road. Oh god...were washboard roads scarey. I swear you could see the car bending in the middle....and over railroad tracks you could see the whole car turning into a pretzel around the cowl. It was old technology, and todays technology deserves a new wrapper to properly complement the underpinnings. If you want an old one by all means get one, but don't expect it to function anywhere near as well as whatever ghetto cruiser you are driving right now.
I love the looks of the new convertible, and already have my $500 deposit on one at the local dealer. The only thing they could do to screw it up is not offer the console gauges as part of the SS package...or not offer the SS package in the introductory model. And why should a car in this price range not offer some options a la cadillac? If you were around in the 60's you would remember that the
Camaro and Chevelles were considered to be the Cadillac of the hot rods...and the Mustangs were stripped down bare bones (but good looking) cars with uncomfortableseatsand armrests,NASTY wheelhop, terrible handling habits, body roll, and crappy brakes. They rusted within two years here in the Detroit area from the road salt and it did'nt take long for the rear springs to rust through the frame or trunk floor. They were the champions of rattling and the convertible tops started ragging out after about 2 years. And that was why the Mustangs cost less than the Camaros....they were a very poorly built lightweight disposable car with a ton of ways to order the car to be exactly what you wanted it to be. Ford later added weight and big blocks to them to compete with the Camaro and Chevelle. Ford had the right idea originally because it was cheap to build your own personized car.
But flashback to the future now....for the price of what these vehicles now cost a buyer would expect creature comforts and some interior luxury. The standard has gone nowhere but up for consumer demands and the manufacturer would be destroyed by the press if they were to produce a stripped down vehicle al la 1965 mustang. Ford got crucifiedin the press on the new mustang because they did'ntevenheated seats in the $43,000 Shelby. And guess what???? They are now available.
[font=arial]GM has no choice but to produce the new Camaro as an updated and new vehicle with just enough retro to remind you of the 69. The convertible more than fits the bill. The coupe falls a little short admitedly, but its more of a Camaro than their last version was. Geez...the passenger did'nt even have a place to put their feet in it! GM is going to have a ton of competetion from the Challenger too.But if you think the Challenger looks so much like the old one you had best put pictures of them at the same angles and side by side. The original model looks like and antique compared to the new one. It is nowhere near beingthe original car other than the rearview mirror location on the door. Change is good as long as the spirit of the vehicle is there. Mustang pulled it off, Challenger pulled it of

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Did anyone see the the lead designer on the new Camaro? He was Japanese! Why the hell would GM put a guy from Japan as the lead designer for the New Camaro; the epitome of AMERICAN muscle?!?!


Sorry, didn't trudge through the whole thread to see if anyone already responded to this.Do you know who Larry Shinoda is? He wasa Japanese guy whoredesigned the Mustang for 1969,arguably one of the best looking years for mustangs ever.When the all-new 2005Mustang came out, there was a young Japanese designer behind that, too, largely drawing inspiration fromShinoda's '69. These are landmark designs in the history of American cars. What's that got to do with the new Camaro?If the new Mustangwasn't the smash success that it is,there wouldn't even be a new Camaro to discuss right now. So, when you're done acting horrified thatsome foreigner may have touchedan Americancar, you might wantto write these guys a letter and thank themfor their contributions.From what I can tell, the new Camaro looks pretty darn cool.

I could'nt agree more.....WTF does it matter if the designer is oriental? Nobody seems to complain when some stupid overpaid rapper builds a hopped up honda. And who cares whatSnoop Dogg thinks about the new Chrysler 300? Get a life! OtherDesigners design the car for the love of the car regardless of their heritage. I'm nothing but a Detroit pollack ...so who cares about the ethnic heritage of the designer or buyer?

i just want a cool 09 v6 maro :D

im going to have to disagree with you on that one, i do realize that a lot of people i have talked to dont like the style of this camaro, but in my humble opinion, i think its amazing. Its not an exact replica of the 69 camaro, but it does model it with a retro spec and more aggresive look to it. And i love it, i mean it comes stock with 400 horsepower with their 6.0 liter (368 cubic) and i think this car is going to be a huge hit, maybe even a bigger hit then Ford's Mustang

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Sorry, didn't trudge through the whole thread to see if anyone already responded to this.Do you know who Larry Shinoda is? He wasa Japanese guy whoredesigned the Mustang for 1969,arguably one of the best looking years for mustangs ever.When the all-new 2005Mustang came out, there was a young Japanese designer behind that, too, largely drawing inspiration fromShinoda's '69. These are landmark designs in the history of American cars. What's that got to do with the new Camaro?If the new Mustangwasn't the smash success that it is,there wouldn't even be a new Camaro to discuss right now. So, when you're done acting horrified thatsome foreigner may have touchedan Americancar, you might wantto write these guys a letter and thank themfor their contributions.From what I can tell, the new Camaro looks pretty darn cool.



thank you! i couldnt agree more!

longest semi-consistant ongoing thread 4/06-2/07

the new maro wont come w/ a 6.0 stock...it will come w/ a 6er stock

no cars are 100% American...GM FTW tho ;)

As Someone that has a 67 and a 69, I really do not like the new concept car. The designers at gm should be fired. Anyone who owns a first gen or a camaro period should be insulted. GM, how could u?

You people are crazy for even saying anything bad about the new Camaro. How dare you on a Camaro Forums website lol. BTW it looks SWEET!!

The new camaro looks pretty cool, it has its own style and its a good thing that it looks like the new caddy;s because the new cadilac's are nice it looks like the old camaro because it doesnt have the wedge look like the 4th gens it has a bulky top and flat grill its a nice car plus 400hp makes it feel like a new camaro

If they bone me on the price of buying the new camaro ragtop I'll just do a lease on a new caddy.....everything I'm hearing about the performance and handling is A+++++ stuff. By the way...what do we have to do to start a new thread that says "2009 Camaro" instead of "2007"?

My vote is that the design could look more retro, more Camaro-like. The new Mustangs look like Mustangs, after all. The new Camaros look like bricks. Realizing there is a 40 year time lapse and things have to change, why do the 1st 4 generations look more aero-dynamic than the 5th? And the pseudo-vents and indentations at the front of the rear tires scream "mustang."
I don’t give a rodent’s rear end for heated seats or other niceties ... give me the old rattle-trap, tire smoking, gas guzzel’n V8 ‘maro.
If the designers were going for the nancy cheese and crackers crowd with the new design, judging from the posts on this thread, apparently they’ve succeeded.
Would I like to own and drive the 5th gen? **** yeah! If only I can talk my Daddy into buying it for me. :) Or I suppose I can always borrow my sister’s 5th gen if and when she gets the heart to trade in her Miata. :)