CARBS on a 454
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No where near enough information.
How is the motor built, What is the RPM range you would like to optimize?
Does slow speed drivability matter?
Smooth Idle matter?
Max RPM you wish to use?
750 is a good everyday carb size for a stock or almost stock BB. It is about the smallest I would put on a 454.
How is the motor built, What is the RPM range you would like to optimize?
Does slow speed drivability matter?
Smooth Idle matter?
Max RPM you wish to use?
750 is a good everyday carb size for a stock or almost stock BB. It is about the smallest I would put on a 454.
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I have a 454 block with 396 heads,
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Eldebrock Performer Manifold
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I'm not sure what the cam is, the engine was built before I bought it
Harland Roller Rockers
As a driver car I would like to get the max performance, but have a smooth idle
Could you explain the RPM question? Just so I can get a little education.
Holley, Eldebrock, Summit, Demon?
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Eldebrock Performer Manifold
Mallory ditributor
I'm not sure what the cam is, the engine was built before I bought it
Harland Roller Rockers
As a driver car I would like to get the max performance, but have a smooth idle
Could you explain the RPM question? Just so I can get a little education.
Holley, Eldebrock, Summit, Demon?
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Could you explain the RPM question? Just so I can get a little education.
Examples.
A circle track car come out of the corner at about6200 RPMS at the end of the straight a way it’s at 6800 RPMs. You would build a bottom end that was rated for 7500 RPM (just incase) and design the valve train and carb for max power to kick in at 6000-7000 RPMs. You then adjust the rear for track condition to stay in you power band.
4 wheel drive truck. . Since they do not know where they will need power they would design a motor that might not spin more then 5000 RPM. Their power band is much lower. Since most of these engines require tons of torque they will have a lot of stroke. Long stroke mean more air.
Drag Car. These cars are all aboutHP. Most drag engines do this with high RPMs 10,000-12,000 is common on drag motor.
Withyour engines Volume (454 Cu in) and the Max RPMs you can figure out the size of the Carb you need. Too bigyour fuel mixture will not be the best and the carb will not respond as well too small and you will starve your engine of air and rob yourself of power.
I have never used a Summit carb.But the Holley, Eldebrock and Demon are all good carbs. IMO the Demon has an advantage as an all out race carb. Elderbrock has nice drivability (smooth idle, smooth acceleration) Holley has several different models on one hand they carb right at Demon heels and they have the new Avenger series has beaten Eldebrock out for drivability. In the right hands anyone of these carbs can work nice for you but if you want to take a carb out of the box, bolt it on, throw the kids in the back and go for a ride get the Holley Avenger.
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You can do the Math.
454 Cu In = .262731 Cu Ft (1728 Cu In, in a Cu Ft)
5500 RPM’s has 2750 Intake strokes so (One intake stroke every 2 revs)
.262731 Cu Ft X 2750 Cyc Per min = 722.51 CFM
This is a basic. There are many factors that can change this. Air density, Humidity, any kind of forced air system even a ram air system will change things around.
454 Cu In = .262731 Cu Ft (1728 Cu In, in a Cu Ft)
5500 RPM’s has 2750 Intake strokes so (One intake stroke every 2 revs)
.262731 Cu Ft X 2750 Cyc Per min = 722.51 CFM
This is a basic. There are many factors that can change this. Air density, Humidity, any kind of forced air system even a ram air system will change things around.
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[&:] gorn thats the formula i was looking for but keep in mind that this one doesnt take into account that the majority of engines are not 100% volumetricly efficient.( something this one assumes) most are around 80% so as we can see a 750 cfm is more than enough for this application kurt
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