3800 V6 RS Turbo installation
#11
08-07-2010, 03:51 PM
What if its the STS remote mount turbo? No1 has responded or looked into this. I thought I saw 1 Camaro on youtube that had it. But yeah, it would seem to me that this would cost less than a regular turbo kit after mods needed and installation, but I don't know much about cars. One of you *Cough* Gorn *Cough* look into this. I'm trying to remember who told me about the Chrysler Sebring with the kit, but they said it was on stock internals.
SOMEBODY PLEASE RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO THIS AND HELP SOME BROTHERS OUT HAHA.
http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_turbo_systems
SOMEBODY PLEASE RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO THIS AND HELP SOME BROTHERS OUT HAHA.
http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_turbo_systems
The exhause system: headers would be a must and the exhaust system would need to be custom. Assuming you can not do custom exhaust expect that to be about $1000 on the cheap, closer to 2K if you go Stainless. Add in another $500 if you want an intercooler.
Fuel system: Upgraded fuel pump and line and injectors. If you do all the work about $500-700.
Cooling system: You will need to upgrade to a V8 rad and fans. Remember for every 1 HP you make you make 1 hp worth of heat.
Engine Minium: You will need to upgrade your head gaskets. I would go with the solid copper ones.
The Tune: A regular tune will cost $250-400 I would expect this cost to jump up to 600 ish cause of the headackes caused by the manual controled waste gate.
You can see why a company that has to pay a high end tech to do all this work quotes 12-15K Even if you had a complete shop and did all the work yourself it would be tuff to come in under 5K
All that you have built is what we like to call a rolling grenade, its just waiting for someone to pull the pin. Without building a motor to to handle the extra HP you are rolling the dice. For about 1/10 the cost and 1/5 the know how needed for the turbo you could install a cam and port and polish the heads and add bolton and get to about 270 HP with a stock bottom end. Your turbo will get you close to 300 right before it spreads you motor all over the road.
#13
08-07-2010, 07:19 PM
You are welcome. This is one place the ricers really have an advantage on us. With those FWD inline four cylinders you can pop the head off, drop the oil pan upgrade you pistons, connecting rods and head gasket in a few hours. Add in a 100% bolt in turbo kit it takes a weekend and about $2500. Like a cheap NO2 kits there is still stuff you should add but its gets you real close.
#14
08-07-2010, 09:59 PM
Alright, this is my situation. I bought a 99 Camaro convertible RS with the 3.8L motor. It runs amazing compared to my first car, and it still beats plenty of cars. Examples of these cars could be stock Z28s or stock Mustang GTs...I currently have the wide mouth K&N short ram intake (SLP style) with Borla exhaust (Non-true duals) and what looks to be Brembo racing brakes (on the car when bought).
The car runs like a champ, other than last week when I had to replace the alternator. Not a super hard job. Well, I've been looking at possibly doing an LT or an LS swap, but I don't know yet. I keep reading posts about all the work involved and frankly, I just don't have the time to do it myself, but I drive the car enough to not be able to turn it in for a week or two. I was thinking of the alternative, and just throwing in a single or even possibly a twin turbo kit.
If I do decide to put on this turbo kit, where would be the best place to purchase this kit, and who would you recommend putting it on in the event that I might not be able to do it myself. I really want this car to boost its HP but I don't know what would be best. This car is my girl and I want to take care of her, but I also want to dress her up...if you know what I mean...
The car runs like a champ, other than last week when I had to replace the alternator. Not a super hard job. Well, I've been looking at possibly doing an LT or an LS swap, but I don't know yet. I keep reading posts about all the work involved and frankly, I just don't have the time to do it myself, but I drive the car enough to not be able to turn it in for a week or two. I was thinking of the alternative, and just throwing in a single or even possibly a twin turbo kit.
If I do decide to put on this turbo kit, where would be the best place to purchase this kit, and who would you recommend putting it on in the event that I might not be able to do it myself. I really want this car to boost its HP but I don't know what would be best. This car is my girl and I want to take care of her, but I also want to dress her up...if you know what I mean...
#15
08-07-2010, 11:30 PM
Just thought i would throw that in there.
#16
08-08-2010, 12:23 AM
To be honest, I could see a non-pi 2v 5 speed being a close race with the 3.8 v6 5 speed, a little edge going to the stang. I don't see a bolt on 3.8 taking on an lt1 car. At all.
#18
08-08-2010, 06:24 AM
yea, i raced a 93/94 Z that was rough, and he beat me.
a good running LT1 will still show me up.
a good running LT1 will still show me up.
#19
08-08-2010, 01:33 PM
I agree forums help in learning, but bring something to the table too, just a few phone calls to speed shops will bring you a ton of info, and you can share what you learned -- we will all benefit. One of my earliest jobs was visiting all these pager resellers and the first day what I was paid to do was call all the competitors and learn what was offered, pricing, etc. -- so doing similar for power adders calling regional speed shops will give anyone a good idea of what is generally involved... Definitely don't go with the first answers you get -- gather as much info as you can before you start spending money and/or turning wrenches...
Maybe you should determine your budget, and then we can figure out if that budget is adequate for your goals... I'm not trying to discourage, just advising you to do some digging outside of here too... I have learned a lot sometimes just calling performance parts businesses, speed shops and asking questions at speed shop open houses... Try visiting local Camaro meetups and ask more questions -- I always learn something asking other folks what they did to their car, and why they chose the parts they did... It seems 4th Gen. power adders are not all that common -- at least I haven't seen a lot on F-Bodys I have met at most events...
Might want to clarify with FTP and others if an STS Turbo Universal kit would be a more reasonably priced option. If you don't do strengthening to your engine upfront, and any other needed supporting improvements -- you will likely break something if you push too much power.
Maybe you should determine your budget, and then we can figure out if that budget is adequate for your goals... I'm not trying to discourage, just advising you to do some digging outside of here too... I have learned a lot sometimes just calling performance parts businesses, speed shops and asking questions at speed shop open houses... Try visiting local Camaro meetups and ask more questions -- I always learn something asking other folks what they did to their car, and why they chose the parts they did... It seems 4th Gen. power adders are not all that common -- at least I haven't seen a lot on F-Bodys I have met at most events...
Might want to clarify with FTP and others if an STS Turbo Universal kit would be a more reasonably priced option. If you don't do strengthening to your engine upfront, and any other needed supporting improvements -- you will likely break something if you push too much power.
Maybe I contacted them already regarding a turbo last time you gave me the info and their quote was so ridiculous there is no point in contacting them again? Tony Kacys is his name. I think 12k-15k was their quote by email. No I didn't mention the STS kit, but I said a single turbo and that was their quote for the entire setup.
Also, I said I don't know too much about cars. Thats usually what you do on forums. You get answers to questions from people with more experience or who have been there done that. You also provide info for others if you have been there done that. Not calling FLP performance is PROOF that I'm not interested in a turbo? I love your logic.
Why does any1 ask any question on here? You can just take it somewhere and get your answer. Damn I don't understand the concept of Forums! If you always went with the first answer you got you would be an idiot. For example, if I wanted a turbo and went with the first thing some1 told me such as "call FLP" I'd be paying 15k for a setup. Now if I get various opinions and responses I have a few options to choose from, some more realistic than others since some people talk out of their ***, and then I'm ready to make the next move. You have 1700 posts - you don't need me to explain this to you.
Also, I said I don't know too much about cars. Thats usually what you do on forums. You get answers to questions from people with more experience or who have been there done that. You also provide info for others if you have been there done that. Not calling FLP performance is PROOF that I'm not interested in a turbo? I love your logic.
Why does any1 ask any question on here? You can just take it somewhere and get your answer. Damn I don't understand the concept of Forums! If you always went with the first answer you got you would be an idiot. For example, if I wanted a turbo and went with the first thing some1 told me such as "call FLP" I'd be paying 15k for a setup. Now if I get various opinions and responses I have a few options to choose from, some more realistic than others since some people talk out of their ***, and then I'm ready to make the next move. You have 1700 posts - you don't need me to explain this to you.
#20
08-08-2010, 01:47 PM
Ya know Gorn, you make a good point with this -- anyone interested in the end goal of a power adder, can do what is mentioned below in advance in steps and phases and as money is available to eventually get to your end goal. It would make a lot more sense to do it this way, plus it is fun to see gradual improvements to your car -- it keeps you interested in it. If you do it all at once, while fun too, it is not realistic for everyone at $5K-$15k...
I think the remote mounted turbo kit from STS would work but think about what else is involve. There are plenty of picture on their site. You may want a smaller turbo then the LS1 use but the people at STS can help you with that.
The exhause system: headers would be a must and the exhaust system would need to be custom. Assuming you can not do custom exhaust expect that to be about $1000 on the cheap, closer to 2K if you go Stainless. Add in another $500 if you want an intercooler.
Fuel system: Upgraded fuel pump and line and injectors. If you do all the work about $500-700.
Cooling system: You will need to upgrade to a V8 rad and fans. Remember for every 1 HP you make you make 1 hp worth of heat.
Engine Minium: You will need to upgrade your head gaskets. I would go with the solid copper ones.
The Tune: A regular tune will cost $250-400 I would expect this cost to jump up to 600 ish cause of the headackes caused by the manual controled waste gate.
You can see why a company that has to pay a high end tech to do all this work quotes 12-15K Even if you had a complete shop and did all the work yourself it would be tuff to come in under 5K
All that you have built is what we like to call a rolling grenade, its just waiting for someone to pull the pin. Without building a motor to to handle the extra HP you are rolling the dice. For about 1/10 the cost and 1/5 the know how needed for the turbo you could install a cam and port and polish the heads and add bolton and get to about 270 HP with a stock bottom end. Your turbo will get you close to 300 right before it spreads you motor all over the road.
The exhause system: headers would be a must and the exhaust system would need to be custom. Assuming you can not do custom exhaust expect that to be about $1000 on the cheap, closer to 2K if you go Stainless. Add in another $500 if you want an intercooler.
Fuel system: Upgraded fuel pump and line and injectors. If you do all the work about $500-700.
Cooling system: You will need to upgrade to a V8 rad and fans. Remember for every 1 HP you make you make 1 hp worth of heat.
Engine Minium: You will need to upgrade your head gaskets. I would go with the solid copper ones.
The Tune: A regular tune will cost $250-400 I would expect this cost to jump up to 600 ish cause of the headackes caused by the manual controled waste gate.
You can see why a company that has to pay a high end tech to do all this work quotes 12-15K Even if you had a complete shop and did all the work yourself it would be tuff to come in under 5K
All that you have built is what we like to call a rolling grenade, its just waiting for someone to pull the pin. Without building a motor to to handle the extra HP you are rolling the dice. For about 1/10 the cost and 1/5 the know how needed for the turbo you could install a cam and port and polish the heads and add bolton and get to about 270 HP with a stock bottom end. Your turbo will get you close to 300 right before it spreads you motor all over the road.