what you go on to describe is the ODM/OEM relationship

a brand which use to reflect as quality is Black and Decker. Many of their items are now just rebranded stuff which they EM.

Mr Coffee is now nothing more than an OEM of a chinese firms coffee maker

These are Craftsman brand tools. Link to the tools, notice the Craftsman name: Craftsman Evolv 101 pc. Mechanics Tool Set

Link to the warranty: Craftsman

which reads:

8. - Evolv Hand Tools - This Craftsman Evolv hand tool is warranted against defects in material and workmanship for as long as you own it. With proof of purchase, a defective product will receive free repair or replacement. This warranty does not cover expendable parts that can wear out from normal use within the warranty period.

WARRANTY SERVICE
To obtain warranty coverage, return the product to the retailer from which it was purchased for free repair or replacement if repair is unavailable.

I saw that on the website lol.

Just so you know the Evolv tools "DO NOT" have the same warranty as the craftsman tools. This is a copy from Craftsman website. There are reviews from people that that were turned away with broken evolv tools because they did not have proof of purchase. As you know this is not the case with Craftsman. Also based on the wording if Sears decided you used a tool in a way it was not design for they could turn you away. Example:hammer marks on a screw driver :)

HF warranty

I am in no way a HF fan boy. I do not buy HF hand tools unless its something I am going to modify it or its for a one time use. I do not even like the standard Craftsman I buy the Pro series hand tools. When I see a good deal on used Snapon, Mac or SK I grab those.

Ok, same but a little different! If this guy buys the Evolv tools, he will have proof of purchase as long as he doesn't lose it. Keeping it with the tool set would then make the most amount of sense. The only real difference then is the disclaimer about normal wear parts compared to the no questions asked policy. But given the big price difference, that's what you're paying for. Worn out from years of use is one thing, a wrench breaking from getting torqued on is a defect. And if I went into Sears, they would either replace it for me, or would have to immediately see a proctologist to get it surgically removed. Unless you're a pro, a cheapy set like this where it would get used every once in a while should suit you well.

Owning the tool and proof that you bought it from sears is two different things. You have to be the original purchaser of the tool. You cannot buy a used broken Evolv tool and take it in like you can Craftsman. It is not hard to find reviews from pissed off owners that lost their receits and can not get their tools replaced.

Guy is a moron as a pro buying tools like that.

To the best of my knowledge HF does not require a reciet for pittsburg tools (verify before you buy!). I am not knocking Evolv tools they are what they are if you need to buy China tools just get the ones that are the cheapest. If you do not have a HF near you then they are the way to go.

I think your going to find that just about all tools (sold under a name brand) have a life time warranty. Its not a big deal because most of the time it is sockets that crack. China made sockets cost pennies to make. Your going to spend 10 times more money driving to Home Depot to getting your Kobalt socket replace then Home Depot (or the OEM) will pay to replace a socket.

Im kinda starting to not want the set because ya guys dont think the tools will be working much so Is there another basic set that I could find for cheap like a craftsman etc I looked on there site but found a basic set for a hundred bucks Is there a better place to buy from etc.

I'm not knocking the set, for occasional use I don't see a problem with them. All day, every day, as a pro mechanic would use them is a different story, and you'd want something better that will last longer. And for what it's worth, whenever I need to torque a stiff bolt or nut off, I use a breaker bar, NOT a ratchet. A lot of my tools are not Craftsman, and I've never broken a ratchet, or wrench from normal use. And I use my tools a lot as a hobby.

I use all Craftsman and have replaced a few tools when they broke (phillips heads) and I've had no issues. Again, I'm not a pro either.

This will be used for occasional use probably not much but when I need to fix something I will use It so I guess It woudlnt be that bad because I would not be using It each day like a pro etc.

I found these two links Idk If Its worth spending the money for these Instead of the evolv set. But on the 118 piece set It looks like all they did was add the same size sockets on the other side to get more pieces they look the same size left and right side.


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autozone usually has a jackstand/jack combo for around $50-$80. But harbor frieght have better deals for tools and such. Picked up a nice 3-ton floor jack there for only $70 before. grabbed a good socket/wrench combo set while i was there for 15 with a set of deep wells for an additional 10. Pick up a flyer/ad for them, sign up for coupons and stuff. You can save big cash that way. And always be on the look out for when they have sales going on which is most of the time.

I have a craftsman evol set of wrenches, bought them from sears when they was on sale for 30. I found them to be just as good as the regular wrenches from craftsman. no real difference IMO.

Im thinking about getting the one hundred eighteen piece set posted above then.

The more pieces you get in a set, the more money you well save. Good choice.

I think Its kinda crazy not that I look at It that Im buying 118 sockets why would I need that many and why would I spend seventy bucks on sockets alone now that I think about It.

serious??

you are looking at it through uneducated and inexperienced eyes.

I will get them.

harbor freight is scrap metal, craftsman is garbage, SK is garbage, grey pneumatic is overpriced harbor freight, Mac is ok, Matco ok, Blue Point is hit and miss... Snap On makes the BEST tool hands down. no such thing as a nice cheap tool. especially when it comes to boxes. snap on boxes are top of the line. they are expensive for a reason. 85% of my tools in my SO box are SO and i love each and every one. i paid $175 for ONE 3/8 ratchet and wouldnt hesitate to pay that for another. i have over 5k in snap on and about another grand in other stuff (that adds up if its not SO!)

i have a 3/8 matco swivel pinless universal impact socket set, 10-19mm, they are pretty good. the only thing i dont like is the size markings. i bought them for around $300...
oh, and 'ADV' matco (its like how blue point is the cheap snap on brand) is literally the same quality as harbor freight. i bought a 10-22,26,27 shallow 1/2" impact set for $77... go figure!

There is always one. A guy asks a question about cheap starter tools and some fan boy has to bring up Snap on. LOL. He does not have enough money!

Snapon tool boxs are the biggest rip offs on the planet. Snap-on has brain washed a lot of people into believing they need a 5-7K tool box. LOL, I will agree they are one of the better boxs but they are WAY over priced. A tool box they sell for 3K costs them about $650 to make. The rest is all profit. They are marketing geniuses.

Yeah, that $5k for tools should fit right in to the OP's budget. Hmmmmm....the $75 set or the $5k set, I just can't decide which one.

The price went up on the set.

Yeah, buy $5k worth of tools to work on a car you paid less than half that for...:rolleyes:

I didnt say I was going to spend that much.

Um, research and development, advertising, sponsorships, etc...

I was directing that to the person who suggested Snap-On boxes.

Oh lol yeah I saw on the website for a small socket set It was two hundred bucks wtf.

Out of these Jack stands for my car which one should I buy I like the cheap one because It has more of a flat lift and the more expensive one has like a v shape lift I think It would be more safer under a flat one but Idk and also does It look like the stand part Is on the right Instead of In the middle It makes me wonder If these are sturdy to hold a car and Idk which would be better the flat of the v shape lift. The more expensive one also has higher lift but Im not sure If a flat or v shape Is better and Im not sure why It looks like the lift part Is on the right of the stand Instead of the middle.


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the cheaper one looks better to me too.

I bought this Jack stand from fleetfarm and I think Im going to return them because they look cheap on the box and I dont really trust a company that I havent heard with my life when I could spend a couple bucks extra and get craftsman then.



Jack Stands - 3 Ton - 1 Pair By Larin - Mills Fleet Farm

Any company that needs 80% margin on their manufacturing cost needs to rethink their business plan. Your dealer gets a pretty big hunk of the money. You can buy the same boxes from Snap-On industrial division without the Snap-On logo on them for 1/4 the cost. It is an artificial market created by Snap-On to profit off people who have been brain washed. ( don't ask your Local Snap-on dealer about Snap-on industrial he will most likely get pissed. Its tuff to sell something when the company you are reping is selling for way less then you are asking)

And yes I was one of the brain washed people who bought a snap on box. I now have large but cheap china made box. It keeps my tools organized and the condensation off them just like the Snap-On box did. No the draws do not open as smooth and it can not handle me standing in any of the draws but I will not over load them :) but it is bigger and was about 15% of the cost. Its 6 years old and I am sure I will have it when I die.

Um anyone have advice on the Jacks then.

Of the two Craftsman stands you showed, I'd opt for the first set. I'm not too keen on the ones with the severe v-shaped tops.

The same advise I had before. All the ones you are looking at are China made so it is not really going to matter whos name is on it. There are very few Jacks and even less Jack stands made in the USA. I bought the craftsman 2 Ton Jack because they had it on sale for the same price as HF but the Craftsman came with a 2 year warranty the HF one only had 1 year. The HF stand are very hvy with Cast risers I have been using them for years.

With the jacks you want a low profile one. You should try to avoid the quick pump double piston type and they are more problematic.

I bought those fleet farm ones but I think I will return them because I havent seen the brand before and I would rather use craftsman for a dollar more Instead of this company but what Is a quick pump double piston type Is that one of the selections I picked or are ya saying that there Is different stands like that.

Double piston is refering to the Jack. One thing I did do was buy the 6 ton ones. Since I do not trust the China made stuff I went over kill on them

With a good sale and a 20% off coupn I paid liek $27 for them
6 Ton Jack Stand Set

This is the type of jack you want to avoid. They call it the Rapid Pump but it is just a double piston jack. They have a very high failure rate.
http://www.harborfreight.com/rapid-p...ack-68051.html

any info on how to buy these Snap-On industrial division tools?

Last ones I bought was in 1998. I talked to the snap on rep about me buying a box. He said the boxes had to ship to a buisness address what was an approved customer thru a PO (Purchase order). Since I was buying 3 boses for work he said he would let me pay for one for myself with a credit card but no matter had it had to ship to my work. Since I worked at a larger Japanese company at the time it was not worth the headacke.


Since most of the time I do not need roll around cabinet for work I have been buying Vidmar. They are stronger and yes they last longer then Snapon. I have seen 30 year old Vidmars with tonnage in them.

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That's a 6 ton "set", which means they rate the stands at 3 ton each. The Craftsman stands, which are rated the same as these, only cost $20 for the pair.

Are ya saying that If I see the craftsman ones and they are 3 ton set Its really only 1.5 ton each I dont see the set word but Im making sure and would ya know by chance what size batteries the 1994 Chevy Camaro V6 3.4L Car uses for the car remote.