hey guys, I'm new here. just bought a 69 x11 car that's badged SS. 12 bolt 3:31 posi, M20 Muncie, Power front disc 350 car. The 12 bolt and the Muncie match the car, unfortunately the motor doesn't, it's a 1970 4 bolt 300 horse 350. My question is do I have one of the few real deal x11 SS's?

 

About 50% of all 69's were X11 cars, from the 6 cyl, 307, 327, and 350SS. The 12 bolt rear doesn't mean anything since it was an available option to non SS cars as well. Also, a 350 engine does not make a 69 an SS. For the first 4 months of production, there was an LM1 option, a 255 hp 350 non-SS car, of which 10,406 of them were built. Most but not all were ordered with the optional 12 bolt rear btw. Do you have a real deal SS? You'll never know since the one thing you need to verify the car as an SS, the original numbers matching engine, is gone. Due to the "clone" market, there's likely to be more SS models out there now than what GM originally built. And without documentation, that's all anybody else can assume about your car.

 

ok thanks for the info! The more and more I look for info that's kinda what everyone is saying. It's just kinda throwing me for a loop, I know I'll never fully know that it is or isn't a true car, but it even has the factory dual fuel lines on the passenger side, from what I've read only SS's received that. With that and the matching Muncie and 12 bolt, close ratio power steering, and disc brakes. Anyway, could be the real deal, could be an exceptionally well done clone just w/o the motor. Thanks again!

 

yeah it makes is confunsing because chevy did the same thing with the 67/68 camaros with the l30(327ci 275hp)/m20 combo. they had 12 bolts and more of the ss underpinnings but were not ss cars either. it didnt help that in 68 chevy ran an ad that had a 327 badged camaro that called it a ss.

 

You probably have a gut feeling that your car was an SS. And you could very well be right. But a buyer down the road isn't going to pay a true SS price without documentation. That may be the least of your concerns at the moment, which is fine. Restore it, drive it, and enjoy the car for what it is.

 

I dont consider myself a Camaro expert, but the fact that it has the dual
fuel lines makes me think it is an SS. What about the fuel tank,I think
the SS must have had an additional port in the tank for the return line.
I know this could have all been swapped but what about the distributor
and carberautor #'s,if they show they are 300hp components ,that is another point for it being a true SS. Also it would have been a pretty big deal and alot of $$$$ to clone that Car into an SS, but as one of the
other members said,you will probably never know,but you would sure be building your case. ed

 

Travis, you should take the Trim Tag info and read up at www.camaros.org defining your new acquirement closer.

 

Your trim tag won't tell you any more or less than you know now about the car being an SS, or not. Later production 69's had more SS specific tag codes (X22/396, X55/350, or X66/396). Your X11 code blows away those possibilities. Whether or not it was an SS is just a hunch at this point. Oh, and to clarify something in my earlier post, I wasn't trying to imply that your car might be an LM1 350 model. Those early production 69's didn't have X codes at all on the trim tag.

 

thanks guys. I have checked every number on the car that I have found to check, the 12 bolt matches as well as the M20, the dual fuel lines look to e factory, all "nasty" looking! So like many of you said, my gut tells me that it is an SS car, but realistically does me no good without the matching number block an build date. An x55 code would have been great! But I think I bought the car right, and don't ever plan on selling it. So it is what it is I suppose! A local guy has a numbers car an is asking 35k for it, I paid 25 for mine, and it's a show quality car. Been a dream of mine since I was a kid to have one and finally I do! thanks again