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Wherein We Call a Knockout Before the First Round
By Daniel Pund, Senior Editor, Detroit Email
Date posted: 02-26-2008



Platform sharing. Gotta love it. Car companies spread the cost of developing a crash structure or a suspension system or powertrain over a number of different models that theoretically will appeal to different paying customers. It's economies of scale, as the guys wearing the suits like to call it.

Yeah, cool. But the real benefit of platform sharing is that it allows Inside Line to conduct a comparison test of two vehicles that we have not yet actually tested. In fact, we have not even seen the production version of one of the two combatants, the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro. We have driven a 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8, which you might think would give the reborn Mopar something of an advantage over the reborn bowtie. You, however, would be wrong.

Since we will be using data from the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT we just track-tested and the Dodge Charger SRT8 that we've tested on a couple of occasions to draw some conclusions about the Camaro and Challenger, you could call this a comparison test by proxy. Or you could call it silly. But you cannot call our conclusions invalid. And if you did, we probably wouldn't listen anyway.

So, let's get the make-believe motors running and head out onto the hypothetical highway.

Where the Rubber Meets the Road (or Soon Will)
First, let's take a moment to thank the folks at Chrysler, LLC and its SRT division for making this part of the comparison such a total gimme. So, thank you and good luck with that whole "future" thing.

For all the hoopla and the car's unique *****in'-ness, the Challenger SRT8 that the company introduced at February's Chicago auto show is essentially a two-door version of the Charger SRT8. Both carry the identical 6.1-liter Hemi V8 — a bored-out version of the standard 5.7-liter motor. Both run the same 10.3:1 compression ratio. Both gulp 91-octane gasoline. Both make the same 425 horsepower at 6,200 rpm and 420 pound-feet of torque at 4,800 rpm. And the coolant capacity? The same 14 quarts. Possibly, you're getting our drift.

Both send all that power through the same five-speed shiftable automatic transmission that carries the same gear ratios and on to the rear axle, which carries the same ratio. Both cars are held off the ground by the same dual control-arm front and five-link independent rear suspensions. Both use Bilstein monotube dampers, front and rear. They carry identical Brembo-designed brakes and are fitted with Goodyear three-season tires of the same size, 245/45/20 front and 255/45/20 rear.

And although the Challenger's wheelbase is 4 inches shorter than the Charger's, Chrysler claims the Challenger is only 20 pounds lighter than the big-brother sedan. At 4,140 pounds and 4,160 pounds, both are heavyweights.

Dodge claims that the Charger SRT8 thunders to 60 mph in "the low-5-second range" and on to a "quarter-mile time under 14 seconds." When last we tested a Charger SRT8, we came away with a 60-mph sprint of 5.3 seconds and a quarter-mile run of 13.6 seconds at 105.8 mph.

Unless Dodge has something very tricky up its sleeve (unlikely), the Challenger isn't going to be much quicker. The company claimed at its Chicago auto show press conference that the Challenger SRT8 could get to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds. We're going to guess something more on the order of 5.1 seconds. This all depends on how strong the particular test engine is and on what surface the acceleration run is conducted.

No matter, for as impressive as its acceleration is, we can't help but think it could be faster if both cars weren't so heavy and didn't wear

 

Sorry guy, I'm an Obama supporter (a 59-year old white guy making northof half a million ayear, yeah, I should be a republican, I know it makes no sense, but it's true.) Anyway, more power to you for caring enough to get involved.

I think the Challenger is pretty cool, and I'd like to own and play with a hemi - the heads breath well according to tests and it is good looking.

But I've already got a deposit down on the Camaro. I bought my first new one in '68 and I'm just a GM type of guy. I'd like to get an LS9 one but I told the dealer I'll take the first LS engined one I can get.

 

It was a very interesting article for sure, but there are many unknowns still on the full Camaro lineup... I still don't dig the retro interior, and am concerned it's not going to have enough tech options... I am sure performance-wise it will be just fine in most iterations... The fake rear brake ducts are just dumb! Either make them functional or take them off!


Obamination? Arrgh!
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKSfwfy0h8

Perhaps Prodigy Of Mobb Deep said it best when asked about Obama...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eb8_1202907126

According to this article, Obama hates America; Mom was a Communist sympathizer:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

Aimee Allen's hip to the message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCKMTo210k

Lyrics of Ron Paul Revolution Theme song:
Wake up! Good morning America! Rise and Shine....

Ron Paul! Save our constitutional rights
Ron Paul! We're not gonna give up the fight
Ron Paul! Start a revolution
and break down illegal institutions

We don't want no war no more
bring our boys home to our shores
We don't want big government
Or the Bilderberg group that pays for it

The Federal Id means a police state
and Mr. Jefferson's rolling in his grave
when our names turn to numbers like 666
according to the gospel on implantable chips

Chorus

The Patriot Act took our liberties
And there's no judge and no jury
Tapping our phones, breaking down our doors
waging on the people a civil war!
We work 3 jobs and bring home no pay
The IRS takes it all away
and we struggle, slave to pay the rent
So, Ron Paul for President

Chorus

(Ron Paul speaks)

Chorus
The choir at the end of the song is singing "Vote for Ron Paul"

 

Yeah I've got to correct you on one thing.The Camaros will be built in Canada,it was on the news a few months ago....I will say,I have not yet put my offer down,but the dealership knows me pretty well,because I am bugging them for an order sheet.