I intend on purchasing an F-body soon. I would like to mod it but will not be going all out. Just curious what it takes to beat a vette? I don't know much about vette's except they are outrageously expensive. Are there any models of vette that a F-body can compete with?

Thanks,

Kyle

P.S. -sorry for lack of knowledge, been a Ford boy since I can remeber. I just know these F-bodies kill the mustang GT's

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well the older vette's are pretty slow, if they are stock, but before the 70's they were quick , and the early to late 80's they started getting faster again, when i first got my LT1 Z I personally kept up with if not beat plenty of stock C4/C5 vette's with only 3:73 gears Cai Exhuast, and a hooked up auto trans w/ 3400 stall. i dont know if the peron before me did any work to it but when i got my upper custom package the stock heads looked like they had bowl work done.

but if you get the LS1 camaro/firebird (98+)you can beat most all C4 and under vettes stock vs. stock with no mods, and are almost just as fast as the C5 vette's stock.

Hey I got a basically stock 2002 camaro SS with a M6 all I put on her was a K&N ram air kit and I beat a 99 corvette 2 out of 3 runs and the vette had a ram air as well. I'm not to sure if the runs came down to driver (cause I did miss 3rd on the first run [:@]) but those ls1 especially the SS are pretty quick it dosn't take much to out run chevys baby. But if you want a couple of good mods that won't break your bank get the K&N ram air and an exhuast cut out both combined add a good 30hp to the wheels.

SS's are no faster than a regular Z/28. Please do not spread that rumor at this site.

if you look up the performance specs on the Z28 and SS you'll see the SS puts out 15 more horses then a Z28. I have raced a Z28 when my car was stock and I pulled him after 2nd gear. Im not spreading a rumor Im spreading a fact

That is a rating from GM and has been proven ON A DYNO to be a bs rating. All LS1 were severly underrated from GM. The extra 15 hp is a marketing gimmick, don't beleive all that you read. I have been dealing with these engines since they came out, trust me, I know what i am talking about. Was the Z/28 you raced an auto or a stick? What year was it?, because the 98-00 cars don't have the LS6 intake like you do. What gear ratio did it have? There are too many varibles to assume that because you beat one your SS is faster than them all. Look man I own an SS and I would take it anyday over a Z because I like the looks of it better, but I know the real world performance facts about both cars and have no dellusions.

The Z I went against was a stock M6 2001 model I'm telling you bro I took him you can blame it on the driver or you could say what you want but I've taken more then one F-Body and a vette and my cars nothing to brag about all I have now is a K&N ram air kit I'm not saying that I totally just blew them away those races were the closes runs I've ever had

Oh I totally beleive you beat the cars that you claim =, my point is that a WS6 or SS is really not any faster than a regular Z or T/A.

So your telling me that the Ram Air effect these cars have serve no point what-so-ever? I've been told that this ram air add additional hp but only past a certin mph? Now you being the LS1 guy that you say you are does this cause an increase or no?

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So your telling me that the Ram Air effect these cars have serve no point what-so-ever? I've been told that this ram air add additional hp but only past a certin mph? Now you being the LS1 guy that you say you are does this cause an increase or no?


3-5 hp increase is almost nothing... take out your spare tire and you got the same effect.

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3-5 hp increase is almost nothing... take out your spare tire and you got the same effect.


ya but on the spare you can only top at 60 65 or its blown

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So your telling me that the Ram Air effect these cars have serve no point what-so-ever? I've been told that this ram air add additional hp but only past a certin mph? Now you being the LS1 guy that you say you are does this cause an increase or no?

Any benifit would be after at least 100 mph and even then it's only going a couple of hp. I am going by what I have seen on dynos and at the track. The ram air looks good but is really of almost zero performance benefit. GM did a good job marketing these cars and lots of people want to beleive that the SS and WS6 cars make more hp but they don't.

So is there anything I can do to get a real ram air affect on my car?

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So is there anything I can do to get a real ram air affect on my car?

Why bother it's not going to get any real power. If want an increase in power put in a cam or get headers. Ram air is not some magic thing that adds a ton of power.

Amen!

screw it I'll just stick with the NOS

I am thinking when he said take out the spare I thought he meant the extra weight taken away, showing how little of a difference it would make. Am I wrong?

Jack and spare are about 40 lbs, which is not much in the 1/4...maybe .004 or so if you figure that every 100lbs is worth .01.

How much would the rear seats passinger seats and all that other nonsence plastic panels take out in weight

JD1969...do you have anything to say about what it takes to beat a vette? Weather it be a C4, C5, C6. Or what ever...

C4's are no match for a stock LS1 f-body (unless it's a ZR1 or a 96 LT4) assumeing the Vette is stock. An LS1 Camaro will need a few bolt ons to take a C5, a lid, gears and headers will be enough to really lay the smack down on one. A C6, you will need at least full bolt ons and maybe a cam. This all assumes that the Vettes are stock and traction is not an issue.

The 'Vette and Camaro are still both Chevys, remember. Beat up the Mustangs and such. The Chevys have the same engines for the most part so a 'Vette and Camaro can be modified exactly the same. It's going to be based on who's lighter, Geared better and so on.

Every 100 pounds is worth a 0.10 (tenth) not a (hundredth), think that was a typo. Besides you would want to take weight off the front before the rear. Easiest way to beat or better your odds and cheapest, "nitrous and drag radials / dot slicks".

Not exactly, I talked to SLP about this, and due to the placement of the intake on the hood, after you get up to higher speeds, the air more bounces over the hood, and doesn't uptake as well, hence the under-body CAI that SLP offers...


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So your telling me that the Ram Air effect these cars have serve no point what-so-ever? I've been told that this ram air add additional hp but only past a certin mph? Now you being the LS1 guy that you say you are does this cause an increase or no?

Any benifit would be after at least 100 mph and even then it's only going a couple of hp. I am going by what I have seen on dynos and at the track. The ram air looks good but is really of almost zero performance benefit. GM did a good job marketing these cars and lots of people want to beleive that the SS and WS6 cars make more hp but they don't.