Anyone think that this "new" Camaro will look and perform as good as it did in the past? Will it be able to hang with the new GT Mustang or by 07 will the Mustang be whipping the Corvette?

I dont rightfully know but if the mustang did start to beat up on the Vette GM would make it faster because thats just the way they are.

Yeah and now they are putting 5.3 liter D.O.D engins in there SS or muscle car type cars Oh and bye the way D.O.D stands for Displacement On Demand the run like v8s when you want acceleration or power and when you crusin at highway speed the shut down to four cylinders

they should just make the new camaro with the ZL1 Specs....600 horsepower aluminum 427, no ****stang is touchin it

lol aint that the truth but I dought it. GM is getting dumb, y'know. Wait why did they stop making the F-body in the first place?[:-]

cuz the demand got low, and they werent selling anymore....just see what happens to the GTO again, theyre #'s arent moving either

really?!?!?!?! I have been seeing more and more of them around where I live...I wounder why the camaro's werent selling. thats kinda screwed up.but then again GM is screwed up

think about it...the 02 camaro, fully decked out was like 38 thousand, or damn close cuz i looked at one with full leather interior, SS Z28, power, body kit and everything....you can get a Corvette for a lil bit more

lol not anymore. I work at a dealership and the corvettes are selling for $57,000-$64,000. I think $22,000 is a good amount to keep and put in the camaro

well the entire point of the Camaro was basically a poor mans 'Vette. its supposed to be low priced performance but the last few years it got out of control

That is because GM was losing money and they were trying to make it up. Gm is just a bunch of rich people that love money and when they think about to lose something they love then they do what they have to do to make it up. but what alot of it was is the dealers that was really jacking up the prices, y'know.

uhhh, you want me to be honest, i think the mustang would win

hey you and HwSlwRU should hang out, your both Fordheads today. Screw Ford, theyre stupid Rustang and theyre garbage engines

uhh well, it was kinda an opion but, ford dont break down as much as chevy, although chevy parts r cheaper, it dose live up to its name, like a rock,what dose a rock do ladys and gentalmen?IT SITS THERE IT DOSENT MOVE, like a chevy its always broken, but i love the comaro alot, so if something breaks i love to fix it, thats just my opion, and experiences

ahem...[:@]

Found
On
Road
Dead


Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

thank you

hahahahaha. I am sry but I have to say this. My younger sister recently bought a rustang, I recently bought a Camaro funny part. her car has broken down on her countless times. my car has not. in my opinion Ford sucks. the kicker I bought mine for $650.00, she spent 2300.00 on hers.
so you tell me reading that which one sounds better?

can we all just sing the theme song for a minute?

Like a rock, Ford cant compare, like a rock, Mustang parts everywhere, LIKE A ROCK

lol like a rock and thats all there will be.

does ford even have a theme song?

if it did it would go like this

splutter, bang, bang, (stall)
splutter, bang, bang, (stall)
(cranking noise)

First
Offroad
Road
Dummies

Fords suck [sm=lame.gif]

yeah their's isnt a theme song though. their's is " Built Ford Tough." I will admit though their newer dewlie's ( pardon spelling) are the best towing trucks on the market.

Yeah the Mustang will be advanced in everything by the time camaro comes along. Oh well at least it will not look like a saturn like the GTO.

I am going to agree with Daniael60. but thats what happens when you get idiots like GM to run it

i dont know...im just hoping that the camaro will actually be worthwhile if they do remake it

dont know but i cant wait to find out

i would much sooner have an F body or the holden GTO over any late model mustang....like one of my buddys says..."mustangs were cool until everyones mom drove one". :)

the concept pictures i have seen of the 07 camaro have impressed me...they are doing something similar to what Furd did with the new stang...complete retro...but the camaro looks better in the renderings that i have seen...

I like both ford and chevy but I believe chevys are built better. My 1978 camaro runs like new and is kept in good condition, Its gets me from point A to point B with reliablity. I really just a fan of American made cars. GM shouldn't have let the Camaro line to end in the first place, i'm glad to see them coming back.

yea but the problem lies within GM, look what they did to the Monte Carlo, Impala, Malibu, etc, etc...

you got to remember also chevy is trying to keep up with the foreign cars (fuel efficiency wise)

true about the economay thing, but keep in mind, even with gas prices going up, look how the market has changed slightly...RWD cars are beginning to come back into the market...look at the dodge lineup...the magnum and charger, and the chrysler 300...i think they are all offered in AWD too. the new chrysler 300C gets 20ish mpg, and runs low 14s...in a big luxury car...my camaro got Awful mileage, but it was ill...i think we are seeing the beginning of a resurgance in RWD HP cars...and im sure GM wont sit by and do nothing...honestly, it was the worse move in automotie history, in my opinion, when they stopped making the fireird and camaro...they decided to stop making two of the best selling car models in american motoring history?? i dont understand it...

well patrick, i think it was all in the numbers. the camaro was meant to be a low budget muscle car and over time it slowly lost its roots, it became more expensive, sold less and less as the years progressed and eventually fell into GM's bottomless pit of mid sized cars. the camaro just could not keep up with the sales of the Grand Am/Prix, Cavalier or Monte Carlo. It became too high priced and lost is visual roots as well. thats how i see it anyway.

Wow you all are right. When the Camaro's and Firebirds first came out they were what $1200.00. When GM stopped the line up they were sitting around $35,000-$38,000.00. for crying out loud for 10k more you can buy a vette.

honestly..id rather have a late years Fbody over a vette...hell, i would have settled for my camaro running right..[:@]

Sketch of new camaro

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Another Sketch

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i like the top one...

I like both of them.

the bottom one looks a little too "cartoonish"....i dont know if that makes any sense...

the top one would definatly sell some units...and slap the blue oval off that new Mustang!

id am so sick of the hype created by this mustang...

yeah it does look cartoonish but it still looks cool. I would buy the top one if it aint to expensive. I kinda like the new GT 500 model its kinda cool. right now that is the best muscle car in the poor mans salary range.but there really is way to much hype about the mustang. but that is how people start liking them hence selling more of them.

yeah...what i have seen of them so far....middle age women driving 6 cylinders...

lol yeah. I went to the bradenton Dragstrip street nationals and saw a Rousch model. I liked it alot

Wuzzap yall. here's my 2 sense. the only stang that is gonna tuch a vette is the s7. the new high performance stangs from saleen in cali are going to around 425-450hp. those numbers are created using a supercharger.NOW, lets go to the new charger. 425 hp. W/O A SUPERCHARGER. just a 6.1 litre hemi. now when you supercharge its gonna go sky high. dodge has ford beet on this. now to the camaro. the rumors that ive herd in 08 there is gonna be a 6sumthin litre put in the camaro. that is gonna have em all beet. ima dodge and chevy man. mustangs have turned into chik and mom cars. my g/f's mom has 1. u aint gonna catch me driving 1

its nice but a 4 door?

the S7 isnt a stang. it actually isnt even a ford. steve saleen is the designer and developer and since they dont produce their own engines, they use Fords.

Chevrolet
Cheap, Hardly Efficient, Virtually Runs On Luck Every Time
Cracked Heads, Every Valve Rattles, Oil Leaks Every Time
Can Hear Every Valve Rapping Over Lousy Engine Timing
Constantly Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques
Cheap Highly Embarrassing Vehicle, Runs On Luck Every Time
Cheap Hot-Running Engines Very Rusted Out Lose Every Time
Condition Hopeless, Entire Vehicle Relies On Leftover Engine Technology
Cheap Heap Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time

Chevy
Cheapest Heap Ever Visioned Yet.
Cruddy Hick Engine, Very Yucky.
Cheap Heap Eats Valves Yearly
Can't Have Enough Victories, Yep

GM
General Malfunction
General Maintenance
Generous Motors
Gotta Mechanic???
Generic Motors
Great Mistake

GMC
Gotta Mechanic Coming
Garage Man's Companion
Got a Mechanic Coming?
Good Mountain Climber
General Mess of Crud
Generally Mediocre Cars
Generic Made Chevy
Grease Monkey's Challenge
Got My Cash

AND SOME FOR FORD

Ford
First On Race Day
First On Recall Day
First On Rust and Deterioration
Fix Or Repair Daily
Found One Running, Drive!
Found On Road, Dead
Flipped Over Rebuilt Dodge
Fast Only Rolling Downhill
First Out Race Day
Flip Over, Read Directions
For Others Racing Dale
Flat Out Runnning Dude
Fails On Rainy Days.
Found On Rubbish Dump.
Features O.J. and Ron's DNA
Forward Or Reverse Denied
Found On Redneck's Driveway
For Old Retired Dudes

FORD...former owners recommend dodge! ;)

FORD...former owners recommend dodge!


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I'm confused. Who said there will be a 2007 Camaro? If they were so great, why didn't you people buy more of them? GM wouldn't have discontinued a successful product. They discontinued an unsuccessful product. They are in business to sell cars, not celebrate their heritage. I'm not denying that Camaros where successful in their heyday, but those days are gone. How can you compare a car that doesn't exist with something that hasn't been made yet? (2007 Camaro vs. 2007 Mustang) I hate to say it guys, but there is nothing from GM that says that they will produce a 2007 Camaro. But, I promise you that with the success that Ford is having with the 2005 Mustang, you can be sure it will exist in 2007 and beyond.

its a well known unconfirmed rumour. but when mustangs are sucking new camaro exhaust dont come crying about Ford Boy

right...and GM will keep producing GTOs that will kindly usher it out of the way..:)

That's right, I almost forgot about the goat. That is selling in such big numbers that I see one almost every week. That is the problem. I am talking about successes, you people are fantisizing. Check this article out. It was written by someone with strong GM ties. http://www.autoextremist.com/page2.shtml#Rant

The GTO is another example of an overpriced car that has missed the mark. Pony cars, (Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds, and Cudas. I don't remember GTO being in that category. Weren't they muscle cars?) were afordable. The new Mustang is afordable. How much is the new GTO? How much was the last Camaro & Firebird? The Mustang is selling, because it is a good value, just like it was in 1965. Sure some idiots are letting the dealers take them for $10,000 over sticker. Something I can't understand, but they are paying it. Also these dealers are pissing off long time Ford buyers by doing this. I am sure that will bite them in the end.

I'm not trying to convert you guys, but try to live in the real world. GM did miss the boat again.

ORIGINAL: bernynweelz

Wuzzap yall. here's my 2 sense. the only stang that is gonna tuch a vette is the s7. the new high performance stangs from saleen in cali are going to around 425-450hp. those numbers are created using a supercharger.NOW, lets go to the new charger. 425 hp. W/O A SUPERCHARGER. just a 6.1 litre hemi. now when you supercharge its gonna go sky high. dodge has ford beet on this. now to the camaro. the rumors that ive herd in 08 there is gonna be a 6sumthin litre put in the camaro. that is gonna have em all beet. ima dodge and chevy man. mustangs have turned into chik and mom cars. my g/f's mom has 1. u aint gonna catch me driving 1



I sense that beets have something to do with it.

ORIGINAL: nj85z28

its a well known unconfirmed rumour. but when mustangs are sucking new camaro exhaust dont come crying about Ford Boy


Did I see that you have one of those "supercharged v6's"? Didn't they still make Camaros in 2001?

YEA THEY DID AND IN FACT I OWNED ABOUT 8 V-8 CAMAROS THAT USED TO TEAR MUSTANGS APART. ITS CALLED GROWING UP, AND WHEN I GOT TIRED OF GETTING TICKETS AND LOSING MY LISCENSE I BOUT A SUPERCHARGED GRAND PRIX THAT HAS ALREADY TORN A BRAND NEW GT STANG APART. GO BACK TO THE MUSTANG FORUMS WHERE THEY APPRECIATE MORONS LIKE YOU

mustang guy...why did you bring up price when i brought up the GTO? there is no "pony car" anymore, and there is no "muscle car" anymore. There are just performance cars, and if youre going to gripe about price, then you shouldnt be into cars, because they are all no more than money pits. Indeed, the new GTO is more expensive, but it also out performs the GT. Price isnt relevant in this discussion. The of the matter that the GT is in direct competition with the GTO, and with GMs recent financial issues, and the big discounts, it makes the price of the GTO much closer to that of the stang. As for not seeing them, it must be your area. Everyday in my travels, I see at least 5 new GTOs, and i probably see just about as many new stangs, but I see ALOT more V6 stangs than i do GT. what ford has done is make the mustang a middle aged womens car, and that is who is buying it. The take rate on the V6 is very high, and an astonishing number of new Mustang buyers are older, women, or both. ford wanted to bolster sales, and they did a fine job of makin this new stang look like the original, but all that has done, is that every older person who wanted one back then but couldnt afford one, is now buying this one. The majority of the people who are buying this car are doing so because of the way it looks, not because of the way it runs.

Yes, the return of the Camaro is uncertain, especially considering the financial condition of GM, but should they recover, anyone who is in the know about cars will know that there is just NO way that GM will keep the Camaro name out of the rce for long, and even though youre a mustang guy you should know that.

and before you start in with the "you drive a camaro" nonsense...i dont...so save it.

ORIGINAL: DarkBirdZ28

Wow you all are right. When the Camaro's and Firebirds first came out they were what $1200.00. When GM stopped the line up they were sitting around $35,000-$38,000.00. for crying out loud for 10k more you can buy a vette.


You're right price has nothing to do with it.

ORIGINAL: nj85z28

think about it...the 02 camaro, fully decked out was like 38 thousand, or damn close cuz i looked at one with full leather interior, SS Z28, power, body kit and everything....you can get a Corvette for a lil bit more


Opps, ther I go talking about price again.

ORIGINAL: DarkBirdZ28

lol not anymore. I work at a dealership and the corvettes are selling for $57,000-$64,000. I think $22,000 is a good amount to keep and put in the camaro


Where am I getting this?

please refrain from double and triple posting...it wastes space...if you have more to add, please click on the "edit" button at the top of your post.

Wait a minute. How did the GTO get in to this discussion. I thought this thread was about the 07 Camaro vs. the 07 Mustang GT.

Sure they make 6 cylinder Mustangs. They always have. I seem to remember Camaros with sixes too. It would seems that some women driving around in sixes might help keep the car alive so that we can have some V8's.

"Go back to the Mustang forums"? What fun is your fantasy football if all the players are on the same team. The Mustang forums are full of those too. Relax and try to see it objectively.

There wouldn't have been a Camaro if the Mustang had not created the segment in 1964. Chevy & Pontiac responded in 1967. Both car were offered in V8's and V6's. Both engines sold will in both cars. Over the next few years both car grew way to big. Ford's answer, the Mustang II (Pinto). Yes, it was an awful car. The worst I car I ever owned. My ex had to have it. But it actually sold well, and it kept the name alive until 1979 when they built the Fox platform. Meanwhile, the Camaro continues to grow and become more powerful and more expensive. In the Early 80's Ford leaked the idea that the next Mustang would be front wheel drive. Mustang enthusiasts were not too happy with this and started a letter writing campaign to Ford. They restyle the car in 1994 and it sold. The front wheel drive car became the Probe and it was killed of after a few years for poor sales. The Camaro and Firebird sales numbers combined were not as high as the Mustang. GM discontinued the Camaro because it was no longer selling. You tell me why. Was it because they were too expensive? Some of the previous posters seem to say that. Was it beacuse they didn't have any room in the hatch? Was it because they were big? You are the Camaro faithful, where were you when they needed you to support your nameplate? Ford responded with a totally new car that has a wide range of models and buys and once again has a success.

I am not saying that it is the perfect, ultimate, be all end all car. But they are effecting Ford's bottomline and that enables us to have the car our way, and to have a car period.

I'm sure that GM will once again get back in to the game. But the blame for them getting out falls to the "Camaro enthusiasts" that like to talk about the virtures of their cars, but didn't support it with purchases. I'll even bet that when they get back in, with another Camaro or whatever, they make some sixes so that they can sell enough of them to also build some V8's.

I'm not saying that Mustang people aren't short sided too. The Mustang forums are filled with people who are taking this far too serious and are just being fanatical about it. They get all worked up about cars that aren't being built yet too. They are complainin gright now about how their dealer doesn't know anything about specs and options for the GT 500. They have been like this for the last few years with the new Mustang. These cars are concept cars until the dealer get the order sheets. These "07 Camaros" that you are talking about are the same thing. These are not even in the concept stage. The pictures you have are not even from GM.

I stumble across you forum looking to see if there is anything concrete about a new Camaro. I don't see it. I am not so shortsighted to believe that Ford has all the answers. I like cars and honestly hoped that I could see something interesting. Talk about things real. Arguing about things that aren't get us nowhere.

If i am not mistaken, no one here was arguing, until you were so kind as to grace us with your presence. I brought the GTO up because it is what replaced the F body, for the time being, and you seem to really dodge my comments, and I am guessing that is because you do not have a good rebuttal. One of the people you are bickering with said IN THIS THREAD that he liked the new Mustang.

While there may not be a Camaro now, at least GM never reduced themselves to the Mustang II...[:'(]

I have never owned anything but Chevy's, but I love Fords and here is the reason, I'm a tech so working for Ford I know that my bills and rent are always paid, but you can only soak your hands in s*** for so long before the oder gets to you [X(]. The main problem is Chevy wil not "offically" enter the racing field. If they would and transfer the tech into their production cars they would sell more and perform alot better.

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Well I just hope they do make the 07 Camaro.:eek:

What are you talking about? It seems he replied to all of your comments. Did you read the article in the link above? He is right. GM missed it again.

Also, the pictures we are looking at (2007 Camaro) are old and are nothing more than drawings. I saw some of them several years ago in either HOTROD or POPULAR HOTRODDING. It seems that they were done by some kid that had nothing to do with GM. Why are we getting excited about these? GM's designers surely have their own ideas and they will dictate what the car will look like and be like. Anything else now is uneducated speculation. I'm sure that they'll likely show something this winter in Detroit. We will have something to talk about then. All we are doing now is looking stupid to the Mustang people who evidently are watching us.

ORIGINAL: nj85z28

YEA THEY DID AND IN FACT I OWNED ABOUT 8 V-8 CAMAROS THAT USED TO TEAR MUSTANGS APART. ITS CALLED GROWING UP, AND WHEN I GOT TIRED OF GETTING TICKETS AND LOSING MY LISCENSE I BOUT A SUPERCHARGED GRAND PRIX THAT HAS ALREADY TORN A BRAND NEW GT STANG APART. GO BACK TO THE MUSTANG FORUMS WHERE THEY APPRECIATE MORONS LIKE YOU


Stock Pontiac GTP will not beat a Stock 05 GT. Given the Drivers are the same. I Owned a 99 gtp, Still own a 97 Z28. and have my 06 Mustang on order.

I dont dislike any of the cars mentioned, more less the people posting about them.
Just another AMD versus Pentium discussion that nobody ever wins.

Personal preference the Mustang is way more comfortable to drive, especially on long trips. More room in the front/rear/and trunk in a Mustang than a Camaro. Not to mention better gas milage, more heads turned, less money. Pros outweigh the cons when it comes to comparing both.

Im not gonna go into performance comparison since I have yet to drive a GT. But grab a magazine like motor trend and look at the numbers for yourself, The Mustang is faster.

Why so much hate! arent we all sport car enthusiest? yes, I cant spell.

since we have people here seemingly to start arguments in this thread, i am locking it. grow up guys