Ok
we could go through the 4 generations 3 times each year for ROTM. but thats boring.
I will open this up to discussion as another ROTM poll coming up.
No strict rules for this, but this thread is to gather ideas, and then we will have a vote. I want to come up with 12 catagories for ROTM 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen months are locked in each year This leaves 8 catagories we can come up with. If we cannot come up with 8, we will select 4 and have 2 sets ofgenerational ROTM each yearSome quick ones I have thought of are:V6LT1LS1Motor swapCF oddball (a chance for non-camaro owning members to feel special [8D])Car color monthsThe idea is to make a catagory that contains enough people to make a good competative ROTM. So let me know of ideas you guys think. In a week or 2 i will open it up to voting on whatever ones we come up with.

I like the idea of expanding the categories. Here are my ideas for the 12 months:

Jan 1st gen
Feb 2nd gen
Mar 3rd gen
Apr4th gen
May LS1
JunLT1
JulPre-1993 V8
AugV6 and I6
Sep Value below $6000
Oct Value $6000 - $12000
Nov Value over $12000
Dec Non-Camaro member rides

I think the motor ones are kind of like 3 4th gen rotm. Also think that there should be:
Jan 1st gen
Feb 2nd gen
Mar 3rd gen
Apr4th gen
May 1st gen
Jun 2nd gen
Jul 3rd gen
Aug 4th gen
Sep Value below $6000
Oct Value $6000 - $12000
Nov Value over $12000
Dec Non-Camaro member rides

ORIGINAL: Duffman

I think the motor ones are kind of like 3 4th gen rotm. Also think that there should be:



I suppose you're right, but 4th gen owners also make up the vast majority of the members on this site. I was kind of trying to break it down by the general population of members and give everyone a chance where the odds aren't ridiculous. That's also why I put the value ranges in there... it's no fair that the lower value cars would probably never win without those categories. Not everone can afford a 2002 SS in mint condition or a COPO '69

nobody wants to open it up for all the v6 guys? and i didnt anticipate price range being popular. guess its a good thing i openned it up :D

I put V6 and I6 in my list

oh yeah [&:] my bad

I'm a fan of STIC's list, although the price thing could get kinda goofy. Were you thinking a how much it's worth now or how much you paid for it, we'd have to specify...

I was thinking how much it's worth now. Of course there are going to be people on the border but we could always go to NADA or blue book values if we have to. I just think it's good to give people with rides of varying values a chance to win.

I'm all for the non-Camaro month:D

what about time catagories. intergenerational catagory for cars that have been at the track.
do you guys think we have enough 12,11,10.... sec cars to make this work? I know there arent many guys in my dyno thread [>:]but i think ive seen more track times in sigs than hp numbers.

jan: 1st gen guys
feb: restoration projects
mar: outside vehicles
apr: 2nd gen guys
may: Show Car guys
Jun: Track cars (don't need to be camaro, must be faster than a 12.7/12.8?)
jul: 3rd gen guys
aug: v6 guys
Sep: non drag cars (Auto-x, etc)
Oct: 4th Gen
nov: LS1/LT1 cars
Dec: Engine swap guys(v6 to v8, LS1 to LS2, etc)

1st
2nd
3rd
4th gens
outsiders
These are the only ones that have seemed to have universal support.

I like the idea of separating out by value and performance,because that mixes up the generations somewhat, but i agree with Slvr that its kinda goofy to just go by price. We need something more concrete, because if u have ever looked at the classifieds at tech, a newer fbody can be anywhere from 6k-25k [&:]


also, i havent heard much support for the v6 (unless i missed it, other than stic5) but I may have to just pull rank and get that on there. I really think the v6 guys need a month where they dont have to compete with v8 cars. Lets face it, v8's tend to pull more votes, but there are still some cool v6 cars around.

one thing we could do to diversify is to use the 2nd round of generational months for v6 only. i.e. there are 2 months a year for 3rd gens, but 1 is for v8, 1 is for v6. just a thought

oh yeah, i forgot we were gonna do generations twice a year, not once.

PS - Yenko thinks we should do outsiders before he sells his car;)

I like the idea of a v6 category and then have a v8 also so that 1st through 4th gens can compete.

Like I said, I support STIC's list, including the V6 part, everyone needs a chance to be in it even if they don't have a V8. I don't think we have enough people breaking into the 12's, or at least not enough that I've seen aside from the LS1 guys. I like the V6 and V8 month of any gen. We could go for something like a "best picture" not necessarily just the car, but the composition of the photo itself (i.e. background, photo techniques), but that may be just me because I like photography...

i think best picture does alot for whoever wins as it is. this is a Ride of the month, so it needs to be the car that wins, not the owner, and photography skill is related to the owner.

also, nominations would get weird if the person has to first submit a photo and then get nominated.

Ya, you're right about the photo thing...hmm...so right now we've got:

1) 1st Gen
2) 2nd Gen
3) 3rd Gen
4) 4th Gen
5) V6
6) V8
7) LT1
8) LS1
9) 15+ Sec. club
10) 13-15+ sec. club
11) 12 or less sec. club
12) Camaro Outsiders club

How does that look?

I like my list but I also like slvr's list a lot. The main difference is do you want to do 3 months based on value, or 3 months based on 1/4 mile times. What does everyone think?

the lt1/ls1 really is another set of 4th gen months, which is unfair to the rest of the guys around here. I feel like I dont see alot of older guys around here much, its all 4th gen throughout the forum, and the 1-3 gen guys kinda stick in their caves... i mean individual forums. so i dont want to alienate them at all with a biased ROTM schedule.

1) 1st Gen
2) 2nd Gen
3) 3rd Gen
4) 4th Gen
5) V6
6) 1st
7) 2nd
8) 3rd
9) 4th
10) 13-15+ sec. club
11) 12 or less sec. club
12) Camaro Outsiders club

I would probably go something like this. ROTM kinda glorifies the v8 as it is, so 3 extra months dedicated to v8 isnt necessary. We could also have a wildcard month where we will impose a random restriction (blue cars or something like that)

That's acceptable too as far as I'm concerned. Why don't you put together2 or 3lists that you can work with and start a poll?

Maybe we could go with that list but divide up the 2 gen sections into specifics

1) 1st Gen
2) 2nd Gen: early (chrome bumpers)
3) 3rd Gen:
4) 4th Gen: 93-97
5) V6
6) 1st
7) 2nd: late (plastic/aluminum bumpers)
8) 3rd:
9) 4th 98-2002
10) 13-15+ sec. club
11) 12 or less sec. club
12) Camaro Outsiders club

The only problem is I can't think of anything definative for the 1st and 3rd gens...[>:]

I cant make a poll yet in the section. maybe by tomorrow I will have that ability :D

we could split up the 3rd gens by pre-TPI (before 87)and post-TPI (after 87)

That sounds good to me, now anyone have any input on 1st gens? They're just kinda there and sexy all the time:D

they dont all necessarily have to be split. we dont want to restrict the entries so far that we have only a handful of cars that fit the catagory. kinda weak if u already know u will get nominated for ROTM :D

I think it may be best to leave 1st and 2nd gens alone and just let it open to ROTM twice a year (you cannot win twice in one years time so thats not an issue). However, the 4th gens could really get split up by 97/98. there are enough of those guys running around here to keep that interesting.

i think there should be a ride of the month for just convertibles but im not sure if theres a lot of convertibles around. just a thought

that actually is a good idea. I dont know how many of those guys are around though.

ORIGINAL: nzink

we could split up the 3rd gens by pre-TPI (before 87)and post-TPI (after 87)


pre tpi would be 84. 85 is the first tpi

the 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th gen months are good... throw in v6 one month.. v8 another.. ls1.. lt1.. an over all favorite camaro on here.. or mayb even a v6 and v8 for all gens.. just some thoughts

the v6 month was going to be all gens, or at least thats how I intended it. We really shouldnt be catering just to 1 generation. when all is said and done everyone needs equal representation. I kinda like the idea of overall. that may be a januaryor december competition. ROTY or something :D, across all generations. thats kinda cool.

im pretty sure we will stay with 2 rounds of generational ROTM. I really would discourage splitting up 1st and 2nd gens because there just arent many of them around that ive seen. the 3rds could run into that trouble too. 4th gens could easily be separated by early/late, but do we really want to make that division? then we wont have a chance for a 95z28 to compete against a 99 for example, and those can get interesting.

the main focus needs to be on those 4 wildcard months. 1 slot is going to v6, and that is intergenerational (even if your father disaproves of those relationships... hes old fashioned[&:]). Ive seen pretty much universal support for the outsiders ROTM (which makes me happy, because the only firebird forum ive found suckzorz :D) so what we really need is 2 more fun months.

So I think what we will do is put it up to a vote, ill take the discussed options and the top 2 get it.
ROTY - thanks to maroman, kidna (but thats what overall ROTM kinda is, championship.... ish...)
Track times (favorite 12 second car or something like that, but the catagory will be based on track times)
car value (i think it could get hairy, but if u guys really want it we can find a way to make it work)
LS1/LT1 (If this one gets a substantial amount of votes we could just divide up the 2 4th gen rotm's)
overall v8
T-Tops only (the suggested one was verts, but i havent seen enough verts to make that interesting)
camaros by color (intergenerational)
remember, these are for a top 2 vote. Ill get the poll up here in a bit. if any of u guys have some last minute suggestions u are dying to get on here let me know, we can make it a good long list. I will allow users to select multiple entries, i dont think i can restrict it to 2 votes, but seriously if anyone is voting for everything thats just ghey. Keep in mind the idea is an exciting competition, something with good noms and a close race.

I like the idea of having the ROTY between all the camaros for the month of december. I came up with it as I was reading the first page, and only now realized that Im not the first one.

I also think we need to have an overall best drag car month.

And how about best sounding car?

I think ROTY and Track times would be good personally. I think the vert/T-top one is kinda futile since the cars don't look too different. Car value is kinda sketchy, as you pointed out earlier Specter, LT1/LS1 is another 4th gen month. Color would be ok, but that could just turn into a "what's your favorite generation" think, and the first gens always dominate that because they're amazing...

The random color months or t-top months could be cool.
So would a Firebird month:D

my question is, does the lt1 nd ls1 section apply to any f-body? if it does im all for the above, same with ttops?? if not, i say there should be a any f-body any gen month

I understand u would want that, but that is not the case, the generation months are 1st gen camaro, 2nd gen camaro.... ect...

if the outsider month gets approved by the general public then guys like u and me can compete, otherwise we just get to play along and vote.

Outsider ROTM doesn't bother me a bit. Especially if my Mounty can take part. :D

:(

as far as my ideas are concerned they apply to all fbody cars...rims, best all around looking, sound(exhaust), stereo, mods..just my ideas, nd again, my ideas apply for all fbodies !!:)

Yea, the two camaros I owned werent different in anything but bumpers badging and interior from the firebird. However the Firebird gets the ladies more;)

And since there seems to be a general performance thing like LS1 LT1 going you could do a categorty like stock only, might be boring but it would be cool to see some mint F-bodies. And then a modified category, something along those lines.

i would be all for having a non camaro month... heck one month out of the 12 wont hurt. some of the guys that are of most help around here DONT have camaros... neons,firebirds etc.. except gaystangs[:'(]..lol.. jk... mayb[&:]

the thing is we havent gotten alot of support for enough of these. the only ones that have done well are ROTY, v6, and outsiders, everything else has gotten some support but just as much criticism. There may not be any need for a vote if we cant get more than 4 options people actually seem to like. if u guys are really into it we can throw some more of those into the mix, but some of the catagories like track times and price need a couple months to make them make sense. what we are looking for is a competition that will call for a neary completely new set of people every month (new as in not the same ones that competed in the generational months) so v6 is awesome for this, and outsiders, as well as ROTY, since it covers every camaro here.

things like T-tops, verts, early 2nd gen, these things restrict the playing field down too much. If we can come up wit one more that 90% of the people in here can just go "hell ya" well throw it in there, otherwise there may just be a wildcard month, which may pull from any one of the previous suggestions, or something completely new.

LOL, at this rate we're going to have the "Next ROTM nominations" thread along with a "2 month later Wildcard catagory nomination"

well, next month is going to be 4th gen, and that will affectively do it for the 1st round of general ROTM. v6 guys may wanna go take lots of pics during april (hint hint)

Will do. :eek:Only ones I have now are of me working on the damn thing.

ORIGINAL: maroman209

i would be all for having a non camaro month... heck one month out of the 12 wont hurt. some of the guys that are of most help around here DONT have camaros... neons,firebirds etc.. except gaystangs[:'(]..lol.. jk... mayb[&:]

whatever happened to the guy with the yellow mustang anyway?

there was a yellow mustang? oh jthorne, he is at MF.com all the time. i think he came over here just to check it out

what about, instead of vert/t-top... Hard top? there's actually a couple of those around here, and i think would draw different people than t-top or vert people. hard top would also include all years.

Also think that if you do 2 months for each gen(meaning 8 total) that like one 4th gen should be LT1 only, and second should be LS1 only. then like 3rd gen 305, and 3rd gen 350 (or 3rd gen pre TPI, and TPI). i dunno for 1st and 2nd though. not to many on here.

it was difficult enough to get guys for 3rd gen this time. once things pick up and we have alot more activity in here we can restrict the themes more

2 rounds of outsider ROTM! [8D]

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260

there was a yellow mustang? oh jthorne, he is at MF.com all the time. i think he came over here just to check it out


yea him, and if i remember correctly, he had a good 300 posts or so. was also a clown:)

ORIGINAL: itcantbestephen

2 rounds of outsider ROTM! [8D]


yea yea yea!

no....

im gnna get some pics for v6 mont.. theres just too many good lookin 4th gens for me even to try for that one.. how many nominees can there be.. 3?

if it doesnt say in the rules thread then I will edit it as soon as I get my big boy pants [>:]
patrick has been busy and hasnt been around

what about if you do one month for 4th gen = camaro, next month = t/a ? or we firm about no pontiac's?

So we would have 1 month of 4th gen where 4 people would be able to be nominated:eek:

well i understand this is a CAMARO forum...but it should technically apply for the t/a too imo...we have the same car...gm makes both of them, we have the same thing cept a diff look nd a diff name...other than that we have same frame same motor same trans same everything...but we do not have a forum...theres a camaroforums.com theres a mustangforums.com etc...but there is no firebird/transamforusm.com....we dont have one...theres lt1ls1.com, which i dont like personally, nd theres no good fbody forum...cf is it...ive looked for other forums nd nothing else is worth it...i think it should slack up a lil bit...its just like comparing a civic nd an integra....just my opinion

i think the random monthis a great idea.the 6 cylender one is good excluding i have a feeling that it will hurt a sixxers chance in the other months the engine swaps would be cool but we have like three people for that outsiders good nother thing we could try is regionals ie "best in the west" "beast from the east" "northen monster" "down south drag machine"

i say we have a vote to keep this sight strictly camaros or if we could allow it to be an fbody forum inviting all t/a owners like me nd specter etc..:)

sorry man, but the answer is no to Firebirds being in generation months. ur car is pretty much the same but it still isnt a camaro.

who started camaroforums?? i want to start a firebirdforums.com << i copyright that too bitches... my idea..cause there isnt one nd i want one..does the same person who started this site do mustangforums too cause idk if yall have been there but its the same as our website

mustangfourms, camarforums, audiforums, civicforums, dodgeforums, probably others

is there a way to start a firebirdforums.com *copyright*??

me nd you should start one specter

i dont know if this is like voting but anyway i think that the v6, v8, and outsider ROTM would be cool thats a lot of variety in all 3 of those so they could all be very interesting

i know it's off subject, but where is the owner? we could use a new website format.

alsoooooo remeber soon were gunna have 5th gens.!!!!!! so thats another month right there.

bandit has a point, though, it wont be for about a year.

Patrick is the man of the forum to my knowledge, but as Specter has said, he's been busy lately.

Metreoralp45, don't get me wrong, I'm not apposed to you guys being able to compete, but it's a Camaro Forum. If we wanted to do LT1/LS1 I could see the T/A's and Firebirds being included, but not for generational stuff. The outsider is a guaranteed chance.

Why are only meteoralp45 and specter the ones mentioned with Firebirds?[&:]
Wheres the love for the sixxers and non-t/a's?
Haha just bitchiin a little but dont include firebirds in the generational months, I agree with specter, it is Camaroforums.

I didnt read the whole thread, I did like the 'project car' suggestion - it will give us buisy bodies a chance. Also I saw a sugestion for 'other cars' If not different makes, at least a general F-Body month. If these have already been mentioned just consider them 'seconds'.

Others could be just a firebird month, but there arent that many of us. I was thinking about openning it up to everyone. we have some pretty sweet rides around here.

I wouldn't want to stick it to just Firebirds or Firebird derivatives, then how could Yenko compete with his Ion! I do think we should restrict it to it has to be your car, so Yenko, no posting up your Dad's Vette!

ORIGINAL: 95slvrZ28

I wouldn't want to stick it to just Firebirds or Firebird derivatives, then how could Yenko compete with his Ion! I do think we should restrict it to it has to be your car, so Yenko, no posting up your Dad's Vette!


[8D] the ION would smoke the 'other' competition... we all know that!:D and i honestly dont think the vette would win much. lol. many more better looking cars here, my dad's is basically stock on the apperance side. but you have to own the car?[>:] damn. i'm hoping to not have my ION by march 8th.. lol and next month isnt 'other' cars[&o]

Well I think we need to break up the Appearance from Perofrmance.

We could have a general month for the best looking Camaro and another month for the best performing Camaro. And by performing we'd mean acceleration, handling, breaking - just the best car to drive around fast speeds. And then the month after that would be a generally best Camaro - one that would combine the appearance and performance.

I updated the rules for ROTM. go check those out. I included many of the ideas we heard here. However, we didnt get enough of them with universal and overwhelming support to warrant a vote, so they are all just listed in there as possibilities. This year however look foreward to another round of Gen's, at least 1 v6 competition, outsiders, and ROTY. maybe something goofy and random, well see.regardless of what happens we will get lots of pics of lots of cars worth drooling over and the competition will be fun.

Awh, Spec got his big-boy pants:D

Grats buddy!:)

Specter, are you just getting a feel for what extra catagories we want here and going to have us vote in another thread? Or are you looking for complete agreement in here?

at first i was going to put it up to a vote, however we only got a large amount of support for a few of them. some of the others that would be cool are difficult to implement (car price for example) some of the others require more than one month to make it make sense (like fav color, we would need a couple-few months to get some different colors, 1 month for all black cars is kinda lame if reds/blues ect cant compete in their own). some of the others would be really cool, but we are just too small to make it an actual competition (convertibles). For the remainder of this year the topics are going to stay pretty broad for these reasons. I want to be able to draw from a large batch of active members each month. all of the topics we have talked about will not be forgotten, and if anyone can PM me with suggestions at any time, and I may even add them to the bank in the rules thread. As soon as we get more people some of these other catagories will be more practicle.

just for poops and giggles (ha... poop....) ill throw a poll up here. everyone has multiple votes, but limit yourself to 3 votes (i cant actually limit u i dont think). the poll will be indefinit. as people come in they can just throw in for what they want to see.

Ladies month:eek: haha, jk

actually.... not a bad idea at all. not many of u here, but there are enough I believe. Ill add it to the voting thread

I already voted![:'(]

Im not much of one for special treatment... but its a small group of people with a good variety of cars, i think it would be fun. People would have to vote completely out of preferance because they wont all be the same gen... idk, just a thought

its not necessarily about that, but with all the leg humping that goes on in OT, i bet it would bring in alot of votes [8D]

Speaks for yenko: ohh! and make it in the summer so they can take pics of them washing their cars! Bikini FTMFW!

[8D]

U are full of good ideas today GRL....... u sick or something?




[8D]

nope, just bored:D

ORIGINAL: CMRO GRL

Speaks for yenko: ohh! and make it in the summer so they can take pics of them washing their cars! Bikini FTMFW!

[8D]



duhh

ORIGINAL: ninetysixyenko

ORIGINAL: CMRO GRL

Speaks for yenko: ohh! and make it in the summer so they can take pics of them washing their cars! Bikini FTMFW!

[8D]



duhh



how did i know you'd agree?! lol

Cars+girls-clothes+bikinis+water=love

That's just about how it goes for most guys...although if you leave out the 4th step in that math it doubles the right hand side of the equation, but we have to keep things all friendly like for the kiddos.

dont worry cmro grl yenkos slowy working his way out of the closet














kidding!!!! chill!!! :D

[>:]:eek:

ORIGINAL: 95slvrZ28

Cars+girls-clothes+bikinis+water=love

That's just about how it goes for most guys...although if you leave out the 4th step in that math it doubles the right hand side of the equation, but we have to keep things all friendly like for the kiddos.



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sorry to do this to u guys, but this thread is obsolete. Any further discussion about ROTM catagories can be taken up in the Catagory Voting thread stickied at the top of this forum.

not trying to be a "stickler".... old peoplelanguage.... hmmmm... anyways, places like MF dont even allow new threads in ROTM, this place just needs to stay on topic, and theres a better topic for this now.

http://www.camaroforums.com/m_166617/tm.htm