I have been watching the poll on what people want the 2007 camaro to have, and the top choices are the ONLY LS2 and the V6/LS1. My question is why would anyone want the camaro to only come in an LS2 engine, to me that just does not make sence, isnt that what the corvette is for? To compete with gto, mustang, charger, ect. I would think camaro would be the correct choice but without a V6 a huge market would be lost and just like now chevy would not have a V6 to compete other than the impala (wahoo, sarcastic). It would seem to me that if the camaro only came out in an LS2 it competion would be the corvette, so I just wanted to see what people actually had to say, instead of just looking at numbers.

Well, we (the Camaro Enthusiasts) are sick and tired of Big Brother Vette having all the fun. Its time our car steps up to the plate and knocks some Blue Ovals outta the park.

But thats not the point, sure I can understand why you think that way, I love my camaro but it wasnt made to compete with the corvette, its to give you corvette power at a price we can afford and thats what it done. a ture under dog story, camaros are not supose to be better than the vette, which is why when you mod it and can beat a vette it makes it that much sweeter. Plus there is no sence competeing with in the family. And on another note why did chevy say the new crapalier (cobalt) is the vettes little brother that makes no sence that car was made for 16 year old drives with rich parents more like the corvettes emission fumes.

ok ok well i see things as chevy has the LT4 crate motor and the 572 big block it should be like back in the day when car builders were out to out doo the next guy in line cause when chevy was workin on the 572 ford and dodge had no clue that the next big block would be by chevy so the camaro should be the car that out does dodges Viper and fords GT40. but i think the vett was moreless a prestige car cause ive seen 240sx's and hondas take vets down and hondas make no tourq at all so i think the vett was moreless a look at me kinda car

LOOK at the numbers the LT4 throws down with minor modifying http://www.grandsportregistry.com/dynos/yates_finaldyno-640.jpg

if they didnt want to "compete within the family" they wouldnt have made a 400 HP GTO

I think there should be numerous options when they put the camaro back on the market. There needs to be a V6 model for all the high school kids who dont like hondas, as well as you need a V8 option for the enthusiasts of the car. I also think they should make a big block model for the hell of it. I know i would buy that. But at the same time they have to make the vette the faster and more appealing flagship car. As long as they dont make it four door and but a 4 cyl. in it, I think the car will make it in the market.

im pretty sure they will have a V6 model, for those who cant afford or dont care about the LS2 performance, and just like the car for its looks

i think chevy just isnt going far enough if they want to keep up with ford they have to do something about these little supercharged pony cars. these cars are sick with a litlle mods. but i personally think chevy sould take it on themself to start the supercharged line ups

If anything Chevy shouldnt put the 400 HP LS2 in the Camaro beacuse it will ruin the Corvette sales. I say they upgrade the base corvette to 425 HP and downgrade the HP to 370 for the Camaro, leaving some breathing room. Then Chevy can decide whether to put the 505 HP LS7 in the Camaro.

GM is just slap happy with the ls2, I saw a colorado ss concept truck with the 400hp ls2 in it.

i think the camaro should come out with more than two options for the person that wants more power and they should shove a V6 in there the LS2 and the LS7

i agree with UCANTRY. GM needs to step it up with the real thing. but the v6 and ls2 cant be the only things they come out with, think of all the model camaros. wait till you see the SS and the Z-28, the 09 camaro you see is jsut a base model, i think the engiens good for hwat its in, and there is a lot of stuff you can buy for an ls2, but there should be atleast a ls7 option too, or better yet an injected big block. if the corvette Z06 pushes 505 horsepower and gets 26 miles a gallon, then they can get some good numbers out of a 454 or 502.

me personally i wouldnt care if they didnt put the v6 or the ls2 in the new camaros as long as they came with the ls7 or the engine for the concept ss corvette 650+hp , i dont like that some kid can buy a hood a ss badge put it on a v6 and race to give camaros a bad name. but i guess they would need to sell to people looking for fuel economy and cheaper style to make the car worth making... i think the ss and z28 models should have a distinct charateristic like bulged fender wells and big tires big mean looking grill etc. i dont want my v8 if i get a camaro mistaken for a v6 or vise a versa. i like the ls2 and all but i want a better starting point. i heard there is an ls3 that might make it in to the lineup its similar to the ls2 but can shut off 4 cylenders to save fuel. but if i get this engine i plan on getting called the warhawk i will just buy the v6 when i comes out and throw out the engine and drop in the warhawk 454 ls7x ..

For the v6 it would be stupid. If a High school kid can't handle a a v8 ls1 or ls2 then he should stick with his SRT-4 or Cobalt ss. If your scared of a camaro being as fast as a corvette, that is what the Zo6 is for. If you want fuel economy get that "cool" little 4-8 cyl Impala. I feel they should start with the lowest a RS that has a bit faster ls1 than the 4th gen, next Z28 Ls2, Last SS with the LS7. If the 2 seeter Zo6 can't pull on a 4 seeter car with the same engine They need to up the HP some with mods or a supercharger. When you think of camaro you think of tire spinnin, pony smokin muscle that can still seat the kids in the back. Not some V6 like the stang that 30 year old women buy the ugliest puke green color and think they are cool in their sports car. We can't let the camaro turn into this.

i mean it dosn't matter 2 me i just want a black or silver v8 ss or z28 convertible but automatic and cd player with a cd player.

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If anything Chevy shouldnt put the 400 HP LS2 in the Camaro beacuse it will ruin the Corvette sales. I say they upgrade the base corvette to 425 HP and downgrade the HP to 370 for the Camaro, leaving some breathing room. Then Chevy can decide whether to put the 505 HP LS7 in the Camaro.



I think you're on to something, boot. Specifically, the LS7.

We all know the war hasn't been against ourselves ('Vette's & Camaro's); it's really been the back and forth battle of us and 'stangs. Mustang sales have been even higher once they did the redesign and went retro, which it looks like the '07 concept is leaning towards.

Fine by me, but the "high end", or SS model, absolutely must have the LS7 to "compete" with the Shelby GT500.

Just my .02, I.S.

Ok this is my opinion, I love the camaro I've owned five of them and I feel Camaro dosn't really get the respect it deserves. GM has always been about there little baby the Corvette, or as I like to call it "The Fiberglass Penis", Camaro has always seemed to be left in the dark. Ya I've heard people say it's the pour mans muscle car. Damnit it's Camaros turn to shine I'm personally tierd of only hearing about Corvette this Corvette that ya ya ya you have money and you can by a nice show car. Sure don't get me wrong Corvettes are nice competitors and have nice style but theres something about hearing a nice cammed camaro with a great sounding exhaust just blow by you. When you have a Camaro your saying something other then "I have money" your saying you love horsepower and your not afraid to redline and unleash the beast. If there is any car out there that demands the spotlight I would say it is the Camaro, and who cares about the LS2 I say drop that motor in as a standard option but if you want some real muscle get the 427 LS6 that Lingenfelter puts in the Corvette. I think it's time for the spotlight to shine on GMs new baby

how bout this for thought take the ls2/ls7 tecnology but make it bigger say 9liters or so then youd see some real power w/almost reasonable mpg. the 572 is pimp as hell, mega power but it gets like negitive mpg. if you could harnes the new tecnology w/the sheer brute strength of the 572 that would be ideal. like my dad always told me theres no replacement for displacement. plus supperchargers are for people who arn't bad ass enough to run blowers. they need to put out a z28 w/a 572 blown. i've said it before ill say it again big engines big power if they could produce a car like that they'ed be entering into a whole new untaped market here in the US all the people who want power you can only get from old school cars in a new lighter high performance body. you would see them on every pro drag track in the country.

What's all this highschool kids and V6's? I'm not a highschool kid and drive a V6 Camaro. Not everyone can afford a V8 Camaro or the insurance on them. I may be upgrading to a V8 Camaro soon, but at the time I got mine a V8 Camaro wasn't an option for me, but I love the Camaro reguardless and that is what I wanted. If they don't put a V6 in the new model they will cut out a lot of sales and without them I see the new Camaro's have a run of 3-5 years before going under again. I don't know about where you live but here I see a lot more V6 Camaros on the road than Z28's or SS's. I don't see anything wrong with the V6, Z28, and SS lineup, it gives everyone a chance to own one of these beautiful cars. But I think they should also include something like an SS performance edition to rival these supercharged cars.

For the SS model they should put in the 502/8.1L that they put in some of the trucks but make a performance version of it.

Give the Camaro all the engines that chevrolet makes as available options. It won't do a thing to Corvette sales. "vettes have Their following and Those guys will only drive Vettes. Back in the Day ( 1969 ) anything that went into a vette could be had in the Camaro. That was the most successful Camaro ever. Heck, Put in the V6 for Those who want it and Put in the Z06 for the rest of Us. The fellow who said that Corvette was to compete with Mustangs is way off the mark. It's the Camaro that competes with the Mustang, The vette is in a different category, And don't be so hard on the "vette, if it wasn't for the Vette, there wouldn't be a Camaro. Lets keep Our ducks in a row. Chevrolet makes both Cars, right. Nobody else makes real competition for the Corvette. We ( Camaro Guys ) should look to the big brother Corvette for the great car it is. Not a " fiberglass penis ". What a great Camaro We would have if it was offered with the Z06, Shades of the ZL1 Camaro.

If i were GM there would be a v6 and v8 (ls2) offered. Z/28 would be the handling package. SS would be the power package (ls7). Flame me if you want but i have a degree in marketing and see the most revenue here. I dont see the new camaro with anything more than the ls7 and it really shouldnt. The goal for GM would be to beat the new GT500 with an SS option maybe as early as 2010. The ls7 would give the camaro a 5 hp edge which is just enough for the "More Hp than the GT500" to be the theme for the SS advertisements.

Why do you guys think mustangs are so popular? Because they are EVERY mans car from the person who wants a semi ballsy V6 for looks but cant afford a v8, to an affordable v8 that is pretty fast to a fricken supercharged v8s to kill vipers. They have so many colors, and racing stripes, scoops, the choices are staggering. And they look like old mustangs. If you want the camaro to last you must be able to make one for everyone. If you just make it for a small niche market there is no way it can compete with the mustang. They are selling like porn and drugs. Lets face it chevrolet CAN and has done incredible things for their car line up, but they also have done some dumb things, like the stupid ass aveo, and HHR. OMG they are gay. Not to mention their avalanche... gee lets put black plastic as our styling feature. Where did the good old days where you had chrome, and sheet metal, and almost every car was cool and had a big V8. Your grandma could burn out in her grocery getter! And mustangs are capturing that old image once again. No wonder it sells! I love the new Z06 and its a move in the right direction, but the camaro needs to be different. I think it should have a V6, a V8 and a BIGGER V8! The styling and power (ls2) is there, but we also need to open it to a more vast market... like the v6 crowd and the viper crowd... can u say ls7 or ls9? Then everyone will buy one and you can be sure that we wont have to get rid of the camaro nameplate AGAIN any time soon.

I don't think the Camaro is going to compete against the GTO or the Vette... seeing as how they are made by the same company.

Personally, I'm sick of V6 musclecars. It's so rare that I see a V8 Stang or Camaro. Almost all of them are sixes. It ruins the car's name to have a bunch of soccer moms driving around V6 versions of these cars. Maybe they could have multiple V8s. ****, bring back the 305 and offer it as a second option. They finally offer V8s in the Impalas and Montes, but they are still FWD. I don't get it. Camaro, Mustang, Impala, Monte Carlo: V8, RWD, period. GM has plenty of other cars for consumers concerned with economy. People who aren't interested in performance have no business buying cars with these names. GM should bring back the Chevelle, since Dodge is now bringing back the Challenger. GM should also bring back the Caprice, while they are at it.

Just my two cents.

ORIGINAL: Caddylack

I don't think the Camaro is going to compete against the GTO or the Vette... seeing as how they are made by the same company.

Personally, I'm sick of V6 musclecars. It's so rare that I see a V8 Stang or Camaro. Almost all of them are sixes. It ruins the car's name to have a bunch of soccer moms driving around V6 versions of these cars. Maybe they could have multiple V8s. ****, bring back the 305 and offer it as a second option. They finally offer V8s in the Impalas and Montes, but they are still FWD. I don't get it. Camaro, Mustang, Impala, Monte Carlo: V8, RWD, period. GM has plenty of other cars for consumers concerned with economy. People who aren't interested in performance have no business buying cars with these names. GM should bring back the Chevelle, since Dodge is now bringing back the Challenger. GM should also bring back the Caprice, while they are at it.

Just my two cents.


wait didnt they stop makeing the GTO?

V6 muscle cars do make up alot of the mustang/camaro market if they are going to make sales at a resonable price they are going to have to offer them.....Mustangs and Camaro's were offered as cheap cars with big power. They were made for every average person to afford...If you are to look at the market today not alot of people can afford a high powered expensive LS7.....So most of them go to the six wich pushes out pretty good power. I personally <3 my V6 camaro....

And your right the impala carlo should be RWD and offered with a V8..... But still once again they made the move for the average consumer.....personally I hate it.(had to add that in)

i cant see Gm putting the ls7 in the camaro. if Gm plans on putting the ls7 in the camaro they need to step up production of the engine some how. the ls7 is a hand built engine, and only about 30 are built a day. most of these are mated to the Z06 and some are sold to individuals by GM as acrate engine.the base price of aZ06 jumps $21,000 over a base C6, and the price increase has to do a lot with the ls7. the price of the camaro would sky rocket with a ls7 installed. i cant see a $50,000 camaro being built today. for 50 grand i would buy i nicely equipped C6 vette.

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dead thread buddy...it's ok since it's your 1st post tho ;)

but I agree, LS7 would not be practical

Well said z28west. I obviously concurr. I've had 3 camaros and am going nuts waiting for the 09 ragtop, and I find myself seriously considering a mustang to get me thru, since it will realistically be two years before the 09 sits in my garage. And I am not, nor have ever I been a Ford man....but its about the only option out there right nowfor a fairly fast ragtop, and for a guy who absolutely hates trying to get in and out of a corvette during daily driving chores. And thats why they are selling so well....they really have no competetion. Consequently they are overpriced and Ford must be making a tidy profit on them! GM and Chrysler have made a bad tactical error in leaving this segment of the market to Ford alone.

I test drove a bunch ofcamaros (and a couple offirebirds) before I bought mine. A lot of them were V6's. Then, one fine day, I test drove a 1993 Z28 on a used car lot that had 206,000 miles on it (actually looked pretty dang good too). When I drove that car, I was like DAAAYUM. I had never been blown away and so impressed driving a car like that before. My heartwas still pumping 30 minutes later when I got home. All the V6s I drove felt like the engine was chugging just to lug car around. Plus, all the trannies seemed kinda rough when they shifted to second. Whenever I drove past a camaro with a for sale sign I'd get all excited, only to find out that about 9/10 of them were V6s - I kept on driving on past.

I'm sure some of y'all have your V6 modded to dish out some pretty good hp, but for an american sports (muscle) car, I see no other substitute for the sound and feel ofV8 (I'm not talking strictly hp either). I say screw the V6 for the new camaros, and get a cobalt if you want fuel economy and a lower price. Although, 500hp sounds like overkill to me.

The 502? It is a version of the old big block - very heavy and not nearly as powerful as the LS2 can be. The resulting car would handle like a pig and probably get spanked by a well prepared LS2.

well i guess ill throw my opinion in 2.LOL you have to have a V6.face it! without the car will be done b4 it starts(this aint the late 60's and not everyone can afford a v8).the ls2 seems very realistic and will woop the cobras and there annoying ass superchargers(build a engine worth driving-->not some piece of **** with a supercharger on it).if you want to buy a ls7 then ypur gonna pay out the ass so make it a special edition and limited edition jus like the copos, yenkos, etc because the day a camaro rolls of the line bone stock and beats a z06 corvette is the day all hell will break loose.someone mentioned it b4 and its the truth..corvettes are for the select few, and camaros are for the rest of us! the ls2 puts out 400 hp and will be reasonably priced and if u need more HP then that then start moding.the v6 and ls2 is whats gonna happen because its the only thing practical and the only way the camaro name will stay alive and im sure chevy knows that.and lastly whats up with the V6 always being mentioned with highschoolers?? i jus turned 16 and i have a v8(LS1) and i know some others who do 2 which i think is something to be respected cuz were the ppl who save money to get it and work stupid non paying jobs at that and i really dont like being classified as a V6 highschooler(no offense to you V6 ppl).

A 16 year old has been let loose with an LS1? I better go buy some bricks and mortar for mailbox repair... :D

ORIGINAL: Puck90a

A 16 year old has been let loose with an LS1? I better go buy some bricks and mortar for mailbox repair... :D


what u trying 2 say?? j/p [sm=roll.gif]

You don't have to worry about beating the supercharged mustangs.......all of them are safely tucked away in the garages of collector's after they have paid $20,000-30,000 over the sticker price for them on EBay. You can't go to a dealer and order one, and you can't get a dealer to give you a price on one. Nobody is going to be driving them on the street, let alone street racing them. Same thing goes for their GT500KR that is soon to be built in the "limited production" mode so that the dealers can rip off the public. Oh yes, and even the lower performance"Bullet" and "Mach" special editions are all going to end up on EBay directly from the dealer's showroomstoo. Ford is going broke while the dealer's are getting rich and the working man can't buy their advertised product...and the beancounter's can't figure out what the problem is huh?
With that said I must say that I am impressed with the current GM V6. In fact...I'm shocked at the performance of it. I just took a 2 year leaseon a new Cadillac CTS yesterday to get me thru until the Camaro comes out....and I am totally shocked at how fast it is for a 255 HP V6! It even sounds great while quickly winding up to 7000 rpm for each manual shift of the 5 speed auto trans. The dual exhaust on it are there for a reason. The new version of this motor in 2008 is supposed to be 300 HP, and I hate to admit it, but I might be able to live with that engine in a new Camaro ragtop as a daily driver, and thats quite a statement for a gearhead like me to make. I'd say the general public will be quite taken with the performance of the new Camaro with a V6 powerplant! GM will have no trouble selling enough in the market place to keep the line going unless they hire marketing people from Ford.......

Well... there have been "rumors" (probably not true but wish it was) that they would put a "ls9 supercharged with 900 hp" i HIGHLY doubt this but... would be really cool if they did

wat the hell is the point of a 900 HP dalily driver or even weekend cruiser..thats no fun.hell its a damn racecar

if the new version of the v6 has 300 horsepower in 2008, then i will have a v6 camaro....but heck, i may have more money by the time the new camaros come out, and maybe get the ls2. who knows? but i'm enjoying my 96 3.8 just fine right now, maybe it will last until the new one comes out.

No doubt the Camaro will come with an LS3 since GM is doing away with the LS2, so it will have 6.2 liters and somewhere around 410 HP (about 355 RWHP). Not really that bad as a starting place, before mods

to me, you have to have a v6, thats proved by numbers. if they dont the mustang will SPANK them in sales. where i live all you see are chicks with v6 ponycars EVERYWHERE, and i dont blame them. BUT, i believe they should offer a stout v6, that does pack a low budget punch. for V8's, they should offer the ls2, a supercharged ls2 to match with the ford supercharged motors, and an ls7, that is equal to the corvette, because im sick of the camaro being tuned down. they should be offered as equals and say, CHOOSE YOUR BODY STYLE, because if you want alot of power, but dont like the corvette, then you have to face a tuned down camaro, so they should offer them as equals.

Oh, no doubt they will have a V6 -- count on it. Which one I don't know. Hopefully not some anemic little thing, though.

I think this would be a smart line-up :
RS (base) the new Direct Injection V-6
z28 ls2 (350+HP tuned down, look at the ones sold overseas, or if lucky the 400HP varient they put in GTO)
SS ls3

My thing is I hope the dealerships dont try to screw us over like ford dealerships have done with the new mustangs. Hell in NoVa you cant even buy a used 05+ GT for under $24k w/ reasonable miles. I am sick and tired of this mark up crap from stealerships. Honestly as much as I hate ford and their stealership pricing I hope GM will have the new z28's for around $25-30K NEW although I doubt that it will be $25k the way things are going these days.

GM is thinking about making an LS3 for the camaro. (400-450 hp) and a supercharged version (550hp). its mostly unlikely but a possibility further in the future.

They will also have a LS3 option

I had heard a few different engines. Including two V6’s the LS3 and possibly a supercharged v8 latter down the road :D.

i've heard that Chevy was going to put the 3.6 high feature V6 in the base Camaro. But don't quote me on that.

you knowed be good as a step up from a base v6? the supercharge 3.8 from the gtp, but with a different supercharger of course to allow air to enter from the front or top with cowl induction.

3.8 ftw!!!

the only reason that the GTO got the same LS2 from the Vette was because of the weight. with 350hp it took nearly 5.5 seconds to get to 60. with 400hp it took 5 flat. the Mustang was it's main competitor and that car hits 60 in around 5.2s. even with the LS2, the GTO is still slower than the Vette. mainly because the GTO's around 3800lbs, while the Mustang is right around 3500, and the Vette weighs in at under 3400.

ls2= god

ORIGINAL: microkid

you knowed be good as a step up from a base v6? the supercharge 3.8 from the gtp, but with a different supercharger of course to allow air to enter from the front or top with cowl induction.


yea the 3.8 from the GTP was a vert design.

the only 3.8 I know of that is a V is the camaro/firebird's a supercharged version of that would be nice. But the new 3.6 puts down a good 240hp so im not complaining:D